Members girevik Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 http://moogmusic.com/detail.php?product_specs=1&modify=true&main_product_id=21052 MF-107 SpecificationsMF-107 FreqBox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 Sadly, there's no Pitch-to-CV conversion, only Envelope Follower-to-CV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted February 7, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 Sadly, there's no Pitch-to-CV conversion, only Envelope Follower-to-CV. There is a VCO-to-CV (+- 2.5V) output jack, as well as VCO audio output. Perhaps you or someone else can correct my understanding of the FreqBox: - It's not really an audio processor. The audio output is either the input audio (which is not actually processed itself), the VCO audio, or a mix of the two. - The VCO can be set to be hard-synced to the audio input, hence the pitch of the VCO following the pitch of the audio. But hard-sync is one of three options that are apparently mutually exclusive: a. VCO hard sync to audiob. VCO FM'd by audioc. VCO amplitude controlled by audio (Envelope Follower) You can do a, b, or c but no combination of even just 2 of the three? - Based on the above, in hard-sync mode, the VCO is probably always on. Audio only controls its pitch - no envelope control, no FM. So in hard-sync mode, I can control VCO pitch with my guitar, but must rely on other means to control its amplitude . Apparently, the old Roland GR-300 analog guitar synth had its VCOs hard-sync to audio input from the hex pickup, but the VCOs scramble to track the pitch when the amplitude envelope first opens, hence the GR300's distinctive sound. Whereas the FreqBox must be using an easier implementation, because the VCO's amplitude envelope, in hard-sync mode, is not controlled by the audio input. Still, even with these limitations, I have no doubt someone like Richard Pinhas or Joe Walsh (yes, the Eagles guitarist - he's listed as a modular synth user at the MOTM website) could find useful ways to incorporate the FreqBox into their modular analog systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mytee2.0 Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 meh, already got all of this in my modular system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 There is a VCO-to-CV (+- 2.5V) output jack, as well as VCO audio output. Yeah but that oscillator is static...you can internally mod it's pitch from an outside source's loudness envelope or FM it from an outside source but AFIK there is no real Pitch-to-CV coming in to the box, only Envelope Follower-to-CV. I would love to be proved wrong but Pitch-CV is expensive. That said, it looks like a great addition to the Moogerfooger line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted February 7, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 meh, already got all of this in my modular system But at greater total cost than one Moog FreqBox, if Moog's marketing is to be believed. They claim you need a bunch of modules to do what one FreqBox can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 I would love to be proved wrong but Pitch-CV is expensive. accurate pitch to 1v/oct CV is expensive. just a thought ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members carbon111 Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 accurate pitch to 1v/oct CV is expensive. just a thought ... I know ^_^ I still may get one...I'll be my sixth moogerfooger. I still haven't "bitten the bullet" on the delay yet - it is DAMN SWEET but the price is a tad off-putting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted February 7, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 I saw speculation on the Moog forum that this thing may have been inspired by the Schumann PLL: http://www.schumannelectronics.com/pll.html Looks like a similar idea - have an internal oscillator whose pitch is synced to input signal. Except there is no mention of CV outputs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 3vcos Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 I tried one of these at NAMM...I wan't blown away. It doesn't track the guitar very well...as in the vco frequency tends to jump around a lot even when playing clearly with a lot of care towards the moogerfooger. I also asked Mike Adams how well it would track 1 v/oct cv inputs and he said it would track 3 or 4 octaves. I thought that sucked. Any VCO bought from a modular company today tracks at 6-8 octaves or more. Not that great as an expander for a little fatty or voyager in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted February 7, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 I'd love to see what you guys would do with a FreqBox, and how you would have it play with your other analog synth modules. My GAS money is going to the Roland VG-99 first, but my attention is being repeatedly drawn back to this FreqBox and the Pigtronix Echolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 it would track 3 or 4 octaves. I thought that sucked. the Moog 901 only tracked for 3 octaves and it's the bizzomb ... the oscillator that launched a thousand ships. of course, this isn't a 901. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mytee2.0 Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 But at greater total cost than one Moog FreqBox, if Moog's marketing is to be believed. They claim you need a bunch of modules to do what one FreqBox can do. 3 modules at the most. vco, envelope detector and an amp to get the audio signal high enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted February 7, 2007 Members Share Posted February 7, 2007 Tracking oscillators are for the weak! I would build a preamp/amp/attenuator into an envelope detector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members girevik Posted February 8, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 8, 2007 Tracking oscillators are for the weak!I would build a preamp/amp/attenuator into an envelope detector. Thanks fellas! You've both given me useful hints on what to look for in the audio-in patches that I've found and downloaded for my Nord Micromodular. Most of them are typical guitar effects type patches but some implement FM synthesis and thus may be useful for "prototyping" how a Freqbox-like device with audio input might interact with other modules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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