Members urbanscallywag Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Blofeld is nearly identical to Stromberg! matrixsynth highlighted the differences between the 2 based on Waldorf's site. They are the obvious ones you could come up with...no analog expansion, no tubes expansion. Same despised interface as the uQ it seems, but I never minded matrix editing. Yay! Anyone want a Yellow Q rack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Omy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 I love matrix editing when implemented well (as I thought it was with the uQ.) I didn't even mind the Pulse with it's 2 or 3 digit display. Obviously it's nicer to have lots of knobs, but a decent matrix is better than menus or any other non-knobby method. Once I find out how the wavetable implementation is (hopefully extensive, better if you can upload your own via the USB port,) I will buy this the second it's available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted February 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 I'm feeling that one too. This might be the first piece of kit I buy new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Looks good. Just by glancing at it tho, the specs don't appear to be a lot different from the current Q/Micro-Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted February 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Well if the Stromberg has the same description... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sizzlemeister Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Well if the Stromberg has the same description... Then clearly the Stromberg is only a uQ with analog filter and tube preamp options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted February 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Then bye bye Waldorf 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 From the description on Matrixsynth, it looks like Stromberg will have true wavetables, making it sort of a hybrid Q/XT/Q+. Innarresting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted February 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 From the description on Matrixsynth, it looks like Stromberg will have true wavetables, making it sort of a hybrid Q/XT/Q+. Innarresting. Yeah but the point is Blofeld has an identical specs neglecting analog stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Still very cool....I'd get a Blofeld IF (and only IF) there was an onscreen editor for the 'puter. I hate that teeny button matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sizzlemeister Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 What I'm saying is that it seems pretty clear to me that the Blofeld is an updated piece of gear. I said that when the PDF of the brochure was leaked - it's a stripped down Stromberg. It says NEXT GENERATION Waldorf VA technology - that has meant all along it's new/updated code. For some reason people have been trying to pin it down as a reboxed MicroQ. I don't understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted February 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 That'd be really cool. Meeeeee happyyyyyyy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 ....said the wise man to the innkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 The Blofeld should be similar to the Stromberg in the same way that the micro is similar to the Q. I think how 'new' the Blofeld and Stromberg are will depend a lot on what they do with the wavetables. On the Waldorf site they say the specs are preliminary and could change. My comment was only about the lower priced Blofeld and Micro - from the specs, it seems they have a lot of similarities (but almost certainly not identical). From the Waldorf site: Micro-Q: Features up to 25 voices 16 part multi timbral 300 single programs 100 multi programs 20 drummaps 7 endless dials 16 buttons for editing 2 x 20 character display 6 analog outputs (3 stereo outs) 2 analog inputs (1 stereo in) MIDI In/Out/Thru Phoenix Edition color scheme Per Voice: up to 5 Oscillators per voice Pulse with Pulse Width Modulation Sawtooth Triangle Sine 2 wavetables with 128 waves each and suboscillator per alt-wave Oscillator FM Noise generator Ring Modulator Mixer with Balance, each signal source (oscillator, noise, ringmod, external audio material) can be balanced individually between filter 1 and filter 2 2 Filters (serial and parallel routing switchable), different types, all including FM and distortion Low Pass (12dB/24dB) Band Pass (12dB/24dB) High Pass (12dB/24dB) Notch (12dB/24dB) Comb Filter (positive/negative feedback) Modulation Matrix with 16 slots, freely routable Pre-routed Modulation destinations, sources selectable modulation update frequency in audio range to allow the oscillators to be used as modulation sources 4 Modifiers Arpeggiator with user pattern, including accents, timing information, swing, glide, chords and more 3 LFOs up to audio range 4 envelopes, enhanced ADSR configuration with loop and one shot function, bipolar different trigger modes for each envelope, poly, mono, dual, unisono, manual trigger etc. 2 individual high-quality effects per single program, up to 5 effects in total in Multimode Effect Types: Reverb 2 x Surround Delay Chorus Flanger Phaser Distortion Delay 5 FX Vocoder with 25 bands and lots lots more... Blofeld: General Features (subject to change) up to 50 voices 16 part multi timbral 1000 sounds 100 multi programs 7 endless dials 5 buttons graphical display stereo output headphone output MIDI In USB 2.0 external power supply Per Voice 3 main oscillators pulse with pulse width modulation sawtooth triangle sine wavetables frequency modulation between the oscillators oscillator synchronization noise generator ring modulator 2 independent multi mode filters low pass 24 dB / 12 dB band pass 24 dB / 12 dB high pass 24 dB / 12 dB notch 24 dB / 12 dB PPG filter 24 dB comb filter positive / negative feedback cascade filter 24 dB / 18 dB / 12 dB / 6 dB modulation matrix with 16 slots, freely programmable various pre-routed modulation destinations with selectable sources modulation speed far into audio range 4 modifiers with various algorithms 3 fast LFOs (> 2500 Hz) 4 envelopes different trigger modes per envelope poly, mono, dual or unisono mode with selectable voice count HMT for realtime just-intonation Per Part arpeggiator with user pattern, freely programmable including accent, position, length, glide, chords, random notes etc. high-quality effects chorus flanger phaser distortion ring modulation stereo delay tap delay vocoder reverb One thing I think is different is that the Blofeld will have an arpeggiator per part. Overall, there's a lot of similarities, but like Sizzlemeister says, if its got new coding/algorithms and {censored}, even tho the specs are alike, it'll probably have improved sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 ....Blofeld is nearly identical to Stromberg! .... but ya - that's the main point. There's a huge price difference and not all that huge of a difference in specs.You get what's probably going to be a real good keyboard and a much nicer interface, but the internals will probably be pretty similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 ...hence the desire for a Soundtower-type GUI editor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drxcm Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Its cool that they look so similar. I remember seeing the NAMM video interview of the US Waldorf rep, who mentioned that Stromberg would have some physical modelling also. In the end, none of this matters, until the machine is shipping, as its all subject to change. Besides, we don't even know what it sounds like! (although I'm sure either will sound great) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted February 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 but ya - that's the main point. There's a huge price difference and not all that huge of a difference in specs.You get what's probably going to be a real good keyboard and a much nicer interface, but the internals will probably be pretty similar.Sign me up. I believed the hype it was a repackaged uQ. Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members drxcm Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 but ya - that's the main point. There's a huge price difference and not all that huge of a difference in specs.You get what's probably going to be a real good keyboard and a much nicer interface, but the internals will probably be pretty similar. This makes good business sense, does it not? Lure in potential buyers with a knobby flagship synth, show them the extravagant price. Then "Have you seen his evil younger brother?" 95% similar sound engine. 1/8 of the price. Those Blofelds will fly out the door won't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Indeed they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted February 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Then I'll wait till the masses decide the interface sucks again and get one second hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pighood Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Blofeld? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted February 14, 2007 Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Sign me up. I believed the hype it was a repackaged uQ. Whoops! well, there is a re-packaged Micro-Q - it's called The Phoenix. it's basically just new graphics. so, you've got the original micro-q for sale right now, as well as advance orders for the phoenix micro-q, and the Blofeld (which is different), will be available in the future. you can check out the differences here: http://www.novamusik.com/search.aspx?type=Manufacturer&keyword=21 oops - I could have sworn that around NAMM time, they had original leftover micro-q's on their site. I guess they sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members urbanscallywag Posted February 14, 2007 Author Members Share Posted February 14, 2007 Well no body says you can't release a table top uQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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