Members Gunslinger69 Posted November 12, 2008 Members Share Posted November 12, 2008 I just finished listening to a 1/2 hr. camcorder dvd of my band's performance at a gig 11/1. It seems like I'm just not cutting through the mix - my sound is getting swallowed up. I don't think it's as simple as turning up - when it's only me, it's fine, then when anyone else comes in, I disappear. I'm not being drowned out; I just go :poof: It sounded fine in the monitors:confused: My main board for the gig was my Fusion 6HD. Has anyone else had issues with the Fusion lacking the ability to cut through the mix? TIA (that's Thanks In Advance, not Transient Ischemic Attack ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wheresgrant3 Posted November 12, 2008 Members Share Posted November 12, 2008 I just finished listening to a 1/2 hr. camcorder dvd of my band's performance at a gig 11/1. It seems like I'm just not cutting through the mix - my sound is getting swallowed up. I don't think it's as simple as turning up - when it's only me, it's fine, then when anyone else comes in, I disappear. I'm not being drowned out; I just go :poof: It sounded fine in the monitors:confused: My main board for the gig was my Fusion 6HD. Has anyone else had issues with the Fusion lacking the ability to cut through the mix? TIA (that's Thanks In Advance, not Transient Ischemic Attack ) Well... first, did you record the audio directly off the FOH board or are you listening to the Camcorders mic? Do NOT judge how you sit in the FOH mix by listening to a camcorder mic. Depending on the camcorder, the mic used, the position recording and the audio settings you may just be listening to a bad recording. I own a digital camera that takes damn good video, however it has a sub par condenser mic that picks up 0 response. When I use that camera for short video clips our bass player is nonexistant. What type of patches are you using. Hard leads? Soft pads? Resonant bassy patches? All will sit in the mix differently. Are you using a DI inbetween your synth and the mixer? That will make a difference in your synths prescence in a live mix. I've never had a problem with any board not cutting through in the mix... including the Fusion. I have had to EQ some patches, particularly my Triton however it's usually to cut back the bass response. If anything my bandmates loath how my boards cut through the mix like a hot knife... particularly brass patches. I've learned to use some compression and EQ on those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gunslinger69 Posted November 12, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 12, 2008 Well... first, did you record the audio directly off the FOH board or are you listening to the Camcorders mic? Do NOT judge how you sit in the FOH mix by listening to a camcorder mic. Depending on the camcorder, the mic used, the position recording and the audio settings you may just be listening to a bad recording. I own a digital camera that takes damn good video, however it has a sub par condenser mic that picks up 0 response. When I use that camera for short video clips our bass player is nonexistant. What type of patches are you using. Hard leads? Soft pads? Resonant bassy patches? All will sit in the mix differently. Are you using a DI inbetween your synth and the mixer? That will make a difference in your synths prescence in a live mix. I've never had a problem with any board not cutting through in the mix... including the Fusion. I have had to EQ some patches, particularly my Triton however it's usually to cut back the bass response. If anything my bandmates loath how my boards cut through the mix like a hot knife... particularly brass patches. I've learned to use some compression and EQ on those. This was just the camcorder mic, shot by the guitarist's wife. Patches vary from piano, organ, strings, pads, and hard leads. No DI - I'm using a Mackie 802-VLZ3 as a submixer. I guess until I hear someone say they can't hear me,I won't worry about it. Next gig I'll record off the board. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted November 12, 2008 Members Share Posted November 12, 2008 i found that cutting through became easier when i replaced my XP-80 with an Hammond and Leslie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khazul Posted November 12, 2008 Members Share Posted November 12, 2008 Probably the effect of recording on a camcorder. The sense of cutting through tends to comes alot from the initial transient of a sound. A harder attack will tend to be more obvious - the brain is more likely to latch onto the sound and follow it. Where appropirate for a sund that can take it (for eg pianos, organs etc), then turning down the bass and cranking the presense when not soloing will help as well - however if you over do this for a solo it sounds odd. A tiny bit of overdrive (again for patches that can stand it) can also help with cutting through, but doing so also tends to muffle the initial transient. Otherwise hatchet job on the guitarist works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members astraeus000 Posted November 12, 2008 Members Share Posted November 12, 2008 Next to all my analog synths when playing out live, the Fusion holds its own alright........but I must admit, I am thinking of picking up a Kurzweil PC3 as a controller instead..... the sound quality coming out of that thing is exceptional.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ChristianRock Posted November 12, 2008 Members Share Posted November 12, 2008 Mine seems to cut through fine, but it's got a different EQ curve compared to other keyboards, and the sounds vary more in terms of being trebly or bassy. All easily fixed, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted November 12, 2008 Members Share Posted November 12, 2008 Mine seems to cut through fine ... Darn tootin' ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aanalogaddict Posted November 13, 2008 Members Share Posted November 13, 2008 Don't compare your monitor sound to the pa sound. Sound techs can do strange things to a band; I figure people can't hear me on about 30% of my gigs. Most sound guys don't know how to handle keys, many don't care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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