Members jazzmaster Posted June 8, 2002 Members Share Posted June 8, 2002 I have to give credit to whoever thought of the "cyberjam" concept for planting the idea in my head. I recently "remixed" a song written and recorded by a friend in Florida. Basically, I just added some loops and keyboards for atmosphere and did some processing of the original tracks from her CD. It was a lot of fun. The song is posted here: http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/jessica_dye/lyrics-0.html She liked the result, and we're talking about doing more. I was thinking it might be fun to do a split CD with her doing some "remixing" of my songs as well. It would be nice to be able to send files back and forth, but for now I think we'll probably have to do CDs because our recording setups are so different. Does anyone else here do this? If so, how? Any tips and tricks you can share would be great, and please post examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kitty Phobes Posted June 8, 2002 Members Share Posted June 8, 2002 Originally posted by jazzmaster I have to give credit to whoever thought of the "cyberjam" concept for planting the idea in my head. The cyberjam was invented by JeffLeft, a member of Harmony Central. KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SomeGuyNamedRob Posted June 8, 2002 Members Share Posted June 8, 2002 Originally posted by jazzmaster Does anyone else here do this? If so, how? Any tips and tricks you can share would be great, and please post examples. There have been quite a few posted on the HCGF Vets forum over the past month or so. Lots of tasty stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SomeGuyNamedRob Posted June 9, 2002 Members Share Posted June 9, 2002 Originally posted by jazzmaster I have to give credit to whoever thought of the "cyberjam" concept for planting the idea in my head.I recently "remixed" a song written and recorded by a friend in Florida. Basically, I just added some loops and keyboards for atmosphere and did some processing of the original tracks from her CD. It was a lot of fun. The song is posted here:http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/jessica_dye/lyrics-0.htmlShe liked the result, and we're talking about doing more. I was thinking it might be fun to do a split CD with her doing some "remixing" of my songs as well. It would be nice to be able to send files back and forth, but for now I think we'll probably have to do CDs because our recording setups are so different. Does anyone else here do this? If so, how? Any tips and tricks you can share would be great, and please post examples. I also forgot to mention that in the Vets forum, you can post links to cyberjam frameworks, and there will be someone who will step up and add something to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cool_E Posted June 10, 2002 Members Share Posted June 10, 2002 Here's what I think works, although my experience is limited. Whatever program each member of the team uses thereis one thing in common: each track is really a .wav fileor can be imported/exported as such. So... Record the tracks, preferably as dry & high quality as possible,in a format (sample rate/bit depth) agreed to ahead of time. Create .wav files for each track. When you do this don'tuse clips, make a file from 1:1:0 to the end of each track.This method make the importing & synch-ing the trackseasy. I like to include supplimental info like key, meter, tempoand the location of markers as well as lyrics, chords andeven musical scores (.txt, .doc, .mid & .pdf) If I have midi data I'll also send the midi file. These areeasily edited and can be used to drive high quality synthsto create great sounding tracks. Put all the tracks together on a data CD-R and mail itaway. The other person(s) receives the CD & imports the tracks.Then the tracks can be mixed, or other tracks added etc.Then the second person can export any changed, mixedor added tracks and send them back via snail mail. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SomeGuyNamedRob Posted June 10, 2002 Members Share Posted June 10, 2002 Originally posted by cool_E Put all the tracks together on a data CD-R and mail itaway. The other person(s) receives the CD & imports the tracks.Then the tracks can be mixed, or other tracks added etc.Then the second person can export any changed, mixedor added tracks and send them back via snail mail.Dave I was with you until you mentioned the CD-R swap. Obviously, not all of us have DSL or cable modems, but not all of us have CD burners either. If I was collaborating, I'd sooner leave my computer on for an overnight transfer if someone had a slow modem than wait for a CD-R in the mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jazzmaster Posted June 10, 2002 Author Members Share Posted June 10, 2002 Originally posted by cool_E Here's what I think works, although my experience is limited.Whatever program each member of the team uses thereis one thing in common: each track is really a .wav fileor can be imported/exported as such.So...Record the tracks, preferably as dry & high quality as possible,in a format (sample rate/bit depth) agreed to ahead of time.Create .wav files for each track. When you do this don'tuse clips, make a file from 1:1:0 to the end of each track.This method make the importing & synch-ing the trackseasy.I like to include supplimental info like key, meter, tempoand the location of markers as well as lyrics, chords andeven musical scores (.txt, .doc, .mid & .pdf)If I have midi data I'll also send the midi file. These areeasily edited and can be used to drive high quality synthsto create great sounding tracks.Put all the tracks together on a data CD-R and mail itaway. The other person(s) receives the CD & imports the tracks.Then the tracks can be mixed, or other tracks added etc.Then the second person can export any changed, mixedor added tracks and send them back via snail mail.Dave This would be a cool way to work, but I probably will have to stick with more primitive ways for now. I have latency problems with Pro Tools Free which make doing anything besides minor tweaking in it very frustrating. When I get a fast external drive and a better sound card, I might try again. I'd love to become more of a tweaker eventually, but it will have to wait until I'm less broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SomeGuyNamedRob Posted June 11, 2002 Members Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by jazzmaster This would be a cool way to work, but I probably will have to stick with more primitive ways for now. I have latency problems with Pro Tools Free which make doing anything besides minor tweaking in it very frustrating. When I get a fast external drive and a better sound card, I might try again. I'd love to become more of a tweaker eventually, but it will have to wait until I'm less broke. Why not grab ACID Xpress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cool_E Posted June 11, 2002 Members Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by SomeGuyNamedRob I was with you until you mentioned the CD-R swap.Obviously, not all of us have DSL or cable modems, but not all of us have CD burners either. If I was collaborating, I'd sooner leave my computer on for an overnight transfer if someone had a slow modem than wait for a CD-R in the mail. I'm currently working with a guy in the way I described.I'm sending the basic tracks to a guy I met in the recordingforum, ozraves. He's going to re-mix and do some additionalrecording. The CD-R with the basic tracks that I sent wasseveral hundred Mbytes. I personally wouldn't have much faith that a file transfer of that size would be successful.CD burners are relatively cheap and if you intend to createCDs of your own stuff you need one anyway. I used this same method when working with a guy in anotherstudio about two years ago. Although I skipped the snail mail.I'd record some tracks then bang out a data CD and carryit to the studio. He'd import the wav files and then we could record more tracks in studio. Then he would do the finalmixdown and make me a CD with the master. If anyone does plan on going to a studio to record I wouldadvocate taking any tracks in with you that you believe areof sufficiently high quality that re-recording in studio will notmake them better. This will save you time and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jazzmaster Posted June 11, 2002 Author Members Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by SomeGuyNamedRob Why not grab ACID Xpress? I'm using a Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SomeGuyNamedRob Posted June 11, 2002 Members Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by jazzmaster I'm using a Mac I see. I guess your Mac can't handle Windows Emulation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jazzmaster Posted June 11, 2002 Author Members Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by SomeGuyNamedRob I see. I guess your Mac can't handle Windows Emulation? My wallet can't handle it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SomeGuyNamedRob Posted June 11, 2002 Members Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by jazzmaster My wallet can't handle it I know that all too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr.Talent Posted June 14, 2002 Members Share Posted June 14, 2002 Originally posted by jazzmaster I have to give credit to whoever thought of the "cyberjam" concept for planting the idea in my head.I recently "remixed" a song written and recorded by a friend in Florida. Basically, I just added some loops and keyboards for atmosphere and did some processing of the original tracks from her CD. It was a lot of fun. The song is posted here:http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/jessica_dye/lyrics-0.htmlShe liked the result, and we're talking about doing more. I was thinking it might be fun to do a split CD with her doing some "remixing" of my songs as well. It would be nice to be able to send files back and forth, but for now I think we'll probably have to do CDs because our recording setups are so different. Does anyone else here do this? If so, how? Any tips and tricks you can share would be great, and please post examples. Ever heard of Rocket Network? Check it out! (this was started long before cyberjam) http://www.rocketnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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