Members symeboy Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 Hey there, I really dig the old helloween tone which is immensely similar to the new stormwarrior stuff see:- http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=onFoZS5gdx0 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5ml921S2aO0&feature=related I get close with my set up active pick ups-> TS 9 -> Mesa Single Recto -> Marshall 1960b. I found the cab was great but a bit trebley. I still want a "harsh" tone that eccentuates the percussive effect of fast string picking (like you feel the notes being hit) I like alot of mid-attack but I need a bit of bass! I read that early helloween (Kai Hansen) used ENGL amps and I know stormwarrior do too. What about ENGL cabs? They any good? Should I stick with GL-75's but move away from marshall? Thanks for advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Say Ocean Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 v30ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tube_Tone Posted November 21, 2008 Members Share Posted November 21, 2008 I have a Celsestion V30 in My Mesa Mark III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members symeboy Posted November 22, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 Never tried a V30, what the hell may as well give em a go and see what the fuss is about! Saw an ENGL 2x12 that I might bid on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members devilboy Posted November 22, 2008 Members Share Posted November 22, 2008 maybe not the best advice, but I can get those tones pretty easily running emgs into my jmp1/9200/recto cab setup. the emgs have the attack and bite, the marshall stays tight, focused and cuts like mad while the rectro cab fills in the low end and the v30s have just a bit of harshness left on top to balance out the smooth marshall compression. I'm also using a para eq between the pre and power which allows for a lot of shaping...maybe the best place to start, or for that matter, just a simple 10-band mxr eq in the loop could be all you need. I've had a bunch of different rectos and run a dual with a marshall 1960av for a bit, so I have a good idea of what tone you have going now, it is a bit of a stretch to get the sort of feel and tone you're talking about out of one and I think the recto/marshall cab combo is going to be more shrill and harsh than what you want. if you want to stick with your single rec, maybe check out one of the old mesa mark series cabs with black shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members symeboy Posted November 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 fantastic advice, thanks very much indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members symeboy Posted November 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 Thanks devilboy, Actually, that is damn close to what Michael Weikath from Helloween plays and I like his tone too. I bet the JMP's are hard to come by now? I used to own a JCM800 but traded it for the Mesa. You totally wouldnt think it but with el34 tubes in and max gain on the "raw" channel (and with my tube screamer) it is the sound I always wanted from the 800 but could never get it to break up enough. I'm going to get a cab with v30s just to try it out, also will invest in an eq at some point so i have more scope for par eq'ing. Anyone know anything about ENGL cabs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlc1587 Posted November 23, 2008 Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 I don't look at brand. I look at speakers and the wood. Egnater cabs have v30's in them and birch wood. It's basically the same cab as a mesa cab for much cheaper and without the mesa name. The guy who makes them used to work for Mesa. They got them at guitar center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members symeboy Posted November 23, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 23, 2008 mmm, never heard of them, I very much doubt I could get them over here in the U.K? Just saw a cab on ebay with Celestion V12-60's in it, anyone heard of/used them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members devilboy Posted November 24, 2008 Members Share Posted November 24, 2008 ...You totally wouldnt think it but with el34 tubes in and max gain on the "raw" channel (and with my tube screamer) it is the sound I always wanted from the 800 but could never get it to break up enough. nice - I always thought that raw and pushed were grossly overlooked on the newer rectos...some great tones there imo really think about trying the eq first as it's the most affordable solution and offers a ton of versatility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members King Loudness Posted November 24, 2008 Members Share Posted November 24, 2008 Get a Lopoline 4x12 and some WGS Vet 30s or an Avatar 4x12 with V30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jlc1587 Posted November 24, 2008 Members Share Posted November 24, 2008 avatar makes some nice cabs. But they look gross to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members symeboy Posted November 24, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 24, 2008 I hear alot about these avatar cabs, but you just cant seem to get them over here in Europe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members symeboy Posted November 24, 2008 Author Members Share Posted November 24, 2008 Devilboy, thanks for the advice dude, you have been very helpful indeed! :-) I will take your advice and get an EQ. Do you recommend any particular model? Where in the signal chain should I start, I know that there are options for putting it before the amp or in the effects loop. Never had any experience with them. I wonder how many people use the "raw" setting on a boogie?! Not many i reckon, but for me its my sectret weapon! It gives you way more attack than the "vintage" option (which is also nice in its own way...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Savo Posted November 24, 2008 Members Share Posted November 24, 2008 Engl cabs are the business !! I have the Engl Pro V30 cab. Definately one of my best gear purchases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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