Members SE1081 Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 I can't decide! Are the American deluxes' as good as they claim to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MojoFilter Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 Try one out and decide for yourself... ..but - in my opinion? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members crazyeddie Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 Got me an 04'DLX 50th, best Strat I have ever played, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mistersuperfly Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 American Deluxe of the two... great guitars, and you will have the worse time ever trying to get rid of a Warmoth if you ever grow out of it, or want to change. G&L is another good, if not better option too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SE1081 Posted October 24, 2006 Author Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 G&L legacy vs. Fender Strat american deluxe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted October 24, 2006 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2006 Buy a Deluxe if you like everything about, if you don't build your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarNed Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 I'm tempted just to pass on this topic. If you think your Warmoth will end up being as good as an American Deluxe, you need to just go ahead and do the deed. A bunch of messages on a guitar forum won't change your thinking. Warmoth is a great company. But, listen carefully: Warmoth makes great parts, but the finished guitar will not be greater than the sum of the parts used to assemble it. Fender makes great parts, but the finished American Deluxe will be a lot greater than the sum of the parts used to assemble it. Maybe, parts is parts, as the Chicken Man once said. But assembled parts, that is, WHOLES, are not all the same, IMO. Many people believe, and have said so in this forum, that a guitar is nothing more than its specs plus its parts. I've never believed that, and many others don't believe it, either. It's a fundamental difference in view. So you will need to decide where YOU are in this disagreement. Are parts parts? Is a guitar nothing more than its specs? If you think so, consider the Warmoth. Make sure you love it, because its resale value will be zilch, a market-based decision that will not respond to argument. If you think a guitar is more than parts and specs, get a Fender American Deluxe. The resale value of an American Deluxe will start high and stay high. Because the market -- tens of thousands of individual purchase decisions, mixed together and coated with pixie dust -- has valued the American Deluxe highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted October 24, 2006 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2006 Originally posted by Randy G How come I can never find any Warmoths at crappy resale prices? That's been my experience too, they rarely come up, and when they do, they fetch decent money. Yet on this forum, member often post of the bargain MIA's they pick up....I recently struggled to sell my Deluxe, and got 60% of its new value, despite the fact that it was barely touched......it aint all so black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dukebblovr Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 i just got the 50th anniversary american deluxe and i am blown away. best tone out of any guitr i have EVER played. I will die with this guitar, and hell maybe die for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shovelhead Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 I had a '98 American Deluxe for 4 years. It was a VERY nice guitar. My problem with it was the Fender Noiseless pickups. I called them Toneless pickups. I wired up another pickguard assembly with Seymour Duncan Antiquities, and it made that guitar come alive. When the chance to pick up an Anderson came along, I put the Am Dlx back to stock and sold it for a good amount. Fenders (especially nice ones) will retain their value much better than a Warmoth. I also have 3 Warmoths. I kept them all, and have no plans to sell them. Personally, I'd build another Warmoth before I bought an Am Dlx, but not because it's cheaper or easier. I'd do it because I get exactly what I want, and the journey is half the fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members guitarcapo Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 Personally I feel that Warmoth makes better quality parts and therefore you get a better quality guitar. But if you are planning on aauiring the guitar to sell it in the future...you're barking up a whole different tree. A mint condition 57 Chevy sells for a lot more than a 2006 Toyota Camry...but few will argue which is the better car if you are judging the car solely based on it's utilitarian function. This thread could just as easily be titled: "Purchase a Guitar to Sell or Purchase a Guitar to Play?" Personally I build the guitar myself beause I'm not into all that collecting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HMKRich Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 Deluxe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted October 24, 2006 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2006 Originally posted by guitarcapo Personally I feel that Warmoth makes better quality parts and therefore you get a better quality guitar. But if you are planning on aauiring the guitar to sell it in the future...you're barking up a whole different tree. A mint condition 57 Chevy sells for a lot more than a 2006 Toyota Camry...but few will argue which is the better car if you are judging the car solely based on it's utilitarian function.This thread could just as easily be titled: "Purchase a Guitar to Sell or Purchase a Guitar to Play?"Personally I build the guitar myself beause I'm not into all that collecting stuff. I prefer to think of Warmoth is to Fender what Shelby is to Ford....but I suppose it's all down to the individual owner/builder, although body and electronics wise I find it difficult to fault Fender. When my current swamp ash 70s Strat is finished, I have 80% of a Jeff Beck Artist that just requires a neck......all genuine Fender but I can have the neck I want, just like the old JB....but that one had less than brilliant pups and nut and no heel contour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DenverDave Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 I think if you are just looking for a great Strat, I would go with the American Deluxe. They are sweet guitars. I would lean towards a Warmoth if you know exactly what you want in a Strat type guitar and it is different from a Am. Deluxe.Personally, I'm kicking myself for not jumping on the Zion Strat that sold on eBay last week for $650.00! That is a Anderson-Suhr quality instrument at MIM prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members thredlok Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 Originally posted by Shovelhead I also have 3 Warmoths. I kept them all, and have no plans to sell them. Personally, I'd build another Warmoth before I bought an Am Dlx, but not because it's cheaper or easier. I'd do it because I get exactly what I want, and the journey is half the fun. Bingo! If you don't plan on keeping your guitars, buy a fender. If you want a guitar built to your specs and aren't going to try and flip it for cash or are going to have to hawk it in the near future, buy a warmoth. I have never been unhappy with my warmoths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Prages Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 Originally posted by guitarNed Warmoth is a great company. But, listen carefully: Warmoth makes great parts, but the finished guitar will not be greater than the sum of the parts used to assemble it. Fender makes great parts, but the finished American Deluxe will be a lot greater than the sum of the parts used to assemble it. Say what? The dudes slapping the thing together in the Fender factory don't have any special powers or anything. I agree that the quality of the guitar comes down to the assembly and setup, but Fender doesn't have a monopoly on the ability to bolt together a nice guitar. To answer the original question, I'd go with the Fender if you like the pickups, neck shape, hardware, etc. I'd go with Warmoth if there are things you want that you can't get from the Fender. I think you'll find that the Warmoth will cost just as much as the Fender when all is said and done, so it's really just a matter of which company provides the specs you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FastRedPonyCar Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 I like G&L legacies better than any high end strat I've ever played. That being said, I think depending on how it's configured, the warmoths can be just as good if not better. I like a certain radius, neck thickness, neck profile, etc etc so theoretically, I'd be happiest with a custom warmoth. With fender, you have to take what they make. No custom necks or body routes or anything like that. Same with G&L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted October 24, 2006 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2006 Originally posted by FastRedPonyCar With fender, you have to take what they make. No custom necks or body routes or anything like that. Same with G&L. Not at all, G&L offer a decent range of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FastRedPonyCar Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 Originally posted by Ratae Coritanorum Not at all, G&L offer a decent range of options. True but I can't pick up the phone and ask for a legacy with a compound neck radius, off set D neck shape, angled headstock, scalloped upper half of the fretboard and earvana nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ratae Corieltauvorum Posted October 24, 2006 Moderators Share Posted October 24, 2006 Originally posted by FastRedPonyCar True but I can't pick up the phone and ask for a legacy with a compound neck radius, off set D neck shape, angled headstock, scalloped upper half of the fretboard and earvana nut. maybe theres a niche market for a new company making "Licensed by G & L" necks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bad mutha-humpa Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 Here's my 2cents. The Warmoth is only worth it if you 1)know exactly what you want, and 2) really really love tinkering/building. I've got a warmoth that I like, but the American Deluxe Strats I've played are the best strats I've ever played IMO. If you really enjoy and excell at working with your hands and are dying to build a guitar, the warmoth will likely yield a very nice instrument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JustinThyme Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 I agree with the majority of the stuff here: - Fender has better resale- Warmoth get's you exactly what you want I think it comes down to what you want. If you are going to build something exactly like the Fender Am Dlx, you are probably better off going for the Fender, due to better resale. As for Warmoth's resale, I'd say that it can vary fairly widely. The asking price is often higher than it should be due to personal attachment, and not realizing that the Fender name add's value. That being said, I don't think the Am Dlx's retain value as well as other models....Eric Johnson, Clapton, Custom Shop. The real benefit of Warmoth is being able to build something generally like an Am Dlx, but with different woods (mahogany with maple cap? Hollow basswod? Flame maple neck w/ ebony fretboard?) and things like different neck profiles, rear routing...things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RothnRoll Posted October 24, 2006 Members Share Posted October 24, 2006 Originally posted by Prages Say what? The dudes slapping the thing together in the Fender factory don't have any special powers or anything. I agree that the quality of the guitar comes down to the assembly and setup, but Fender doesn't have a monopoly on the ability to bolt together a nice guitar. To answer the original question, I'd go with the Fender if you like the pickups, neck shape, hardware, etc. I'd go with Warmoth if there are things you want that you can't get from the Fender. I think you'll find that the Warmoth will cost just as much as the Fender when all is said and done, so it's really just a matter of which company provides the specs you want. Prages, Where is a pic of that candy tangerine strat you built! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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