Members Rowka Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hi all, I'm working on some arrangements for the community band and was hoping someone might be able to help me out. Does anyone have, or can point me to an online source for, a document that defines the ranges for the different concert band instruments (written range as well as concert -actual pitch- range)? Maybe a little help with those silly brass instruments, too. Baritone VS. Euphonium? What is the difference? Trumpet VS Coronet VS other similar trumpet-like horns? F Horn? What are they good for, really. FWIW, I have available in my local band: 1 - oboe 4 - flutes 5 - Clarinets 1 - Bass Clarinet 3 - Alto Saxes 3 - Tenor Saxes 1 - Bari Sax (me ) 2 - French Horns 5 - Trumpets (but some of them have other trumpet-like horns as well) 2 - Tubas 2 - Trombones 1 - Double Bass 3 - Baritones (Euphoniums?) 1 - guy who kinda randomly hits on various drums and cymbals. I'm working on Gershwin's Sumertime and What A Wonderful World written by Weiss and Thiele and made popular by Loius Armstrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted September 22, 2008 Members Share Posted September 22, 2008 wikipedia will actually help you wit the range of the instruments. you are on your own for transposing. very little difference between baritone and euphonium the euphonium has a conical bore (shapes like a cone) which gets bigger as it gets to the bell the baritone has a cylindrical bore. same with the trumpet and cornet. the cornet is conical. generally in a concert band the euphonium is the preferred instrument between baritone and euphonium. the trumpet is preferred over the cornet. the f-horn is for timbre it gives a specific sound. hope my post wasn't entirely useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunburstbasser Posted September 23, 2008 Members Share Posted September 23, 2008 The French Horn is the mid-range brass instrument. Below trumpets, above trombones. In marches, they just play on upbeats. Trumpets/etc. have different sounds, but unless you WANT those different sounds in different parts I'd suggest just arranging everything for Bb trumpet. Traditionally, if there are cornet parts they are considered the "lead" parts, with trumpets being secondary. Range wise, A (one ledger line above treble clef) is as high as I would arrange for a community trumpet part band unless you have some really killer players with great high chops. I don't know about low brass range; you already play sax and the written parts are the same range for the three main ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted September 24, 2008 Members Share Posted September 24, 2008 The French Horn is the mid-range brass instrument. Below trumpets, above trombones. In marches, they just play on upbeats. Trumpets/etc. have different sounds, but unless you WANT those different sounds in different parts I'd suggest just arranging everything for Bb trumpet. Traditionally, if there are cornet parts they are considered the "lead" parts, with trumpets being secondary. Range wise, A (one ledger line above treble clef) is as high as I would arrange for a community trumpet part band unless you have some really killer players with great high chops. I don't know about low brass range; you already play sax and the written parts are the same range for the three main ones. good call for a community band i wouldn't recommend writing a trombone part above d bottom of treble clef or below b flat 2nd line of bass clef, unless they have the high or low chops for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IndofunkCity Posted September 24, 2008 Members Share Posted September 24, 2008 French horn is the most awesome instrument in Western classical music. Get used to it. The range of a horn is actually huge, but they usually play at the very top of their register, where the partials are really close, which allows them to do dramatic "rips" and {censored}. SBB covered trumpets and cornets well. If they play flugelhorn, you'll probably want to write that even lower than trumpet. Probably for community band you don't want anything above the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted September 24, 2008 Members Share Posted September 24, 2008 French horn is the most awesome instrument in Western classical music. Get used to it.The range of a horn is actually huge, but they usually play at the very top of their register, where the partials are really close, which allows them to do dramatic "rips" and {censored}.SBB covered trumpets and cornets well. If they play flugelhorn, you'll probably want to write that even lower than trumpet. Probably for community band you don't want anything above the staff. true too bad the f-horn gets such crap parts unless it is a horn concerto. especially crappy parts in marches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rowka Posted September 25, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 25, 2008 In all honesty, our F-horn players aren't the greatest. Their intonation issues are matched only by those of the oboe's. I found this image. It will help me a lot. Your comments about practical ranges for amateur level players is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IndofunkCity Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 Traditionally, if there are cornet parts they are considered the "lead" parts, with trumpets being secondary. I was thinking about this. Yes it's true that "traditionally" that's the way the 2 instruments are handled, but I think it's about time for an update. Trumpets have a much edgier, in-your-face sound that you'd want in a lead instrument, and cornets are more mellow and rounder, stay in the background you f***ks Unless you're just writing the trumpets as a fanfare part, and cornets for the main melody, I'd accept that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 I was thinking about this. Yes it's true that "traditionally" that's the way the 2 instruments are handled, but I think it's about time for an update. Trumpets have a much edgier, in-your-face sound that you'd want in a lead instrument, and cornets are more mellow and rounder, stay in the background you f***ks Unless you're just writing the trumpets as a fanfare part, and cornets for the main melody, I'd accept that piss off:mad: i play my cornet as loud as i want, and my trombone even louder:mad: and my bass well you cant hear it anyway, but you would know if i stopped:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunburstbasser Posted September 27, 2008 Members Share Posted September 27, 2008 I was thinking about this. Yes it's true that "traditionally" that's the way the 2 instruments are handled, but I think it's about time for an update. Trumpets have a much edgier, in-your-face sound that you'd want in a lead instrument, and cornets are more mellow and rounder, stay in the background you f***ks Unless you're just writing the trumpets as a fanfare part, and cornets for the main melody, I'd accept that I think thats what the original idea was; cornet players were like "Hey, valves! Scales!" and trumpeters were still like "...but I liked changing my crooks every three minutes..." Every year at this college our section has been all trumpets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AntiStuff Posted September 28, 2008 Members Share Posted September 28, 2008 You just made my year with that range jpg. I'm assuming that's not in concert, but it the individual instruments key? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sunburstbasser Posted September 28, 2008 Members Share Posted September 28, 2008 You just made my year with that range jpg. I'm assuming that's not in concert, but it the individual instruments key? It has both the written part and the sound that would actually come out of the horn for the necessary instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rowka Posted September 30, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 Well, here are the (midi) results of my efforts. What a Wonderful World by Bob Thiele and George David Weiss. It was originally recorded by Louis Armstrong. I made this arrangement for my community concert band. http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/141/Wonderful_World.mp3 I don't have the midi mix tweaked yet, but what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 not bad:thu: and by not bad i mean that the crowd of elderly that go to community band concerts will enjoy it:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rowka Posted September 30, 2008 Author Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 gee, thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted September 30, 2008 Members Share Posted September 30, 2008 gee, thanks... im just ripping on you because you didn't give the low brass anything interesting to play. i gotta represent :poke: im off to go play something interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rowka Posted October 12, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 12, 2008 Here is another audio file with a little reworking.http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/141/Wonderful_World_3.mp3 An improvement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rowka Posted October 13, 2008 Author Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 In case you are interested, here are files of the score (in conert pitch and transposed). http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/141/Wonderful_World_3_Score_Concert.pdf http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/141/Wonderful_World_3_Score_Transposed.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jonathan_matos5 Posted October 13, 2008 Members Share Posted October 13, 2008 In case you are interested, here are files of the score (in conert pitch and transposed). http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/141/Wonderful_World_3_Score_Concert.pdfhttp://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/141/Wonderful_World_3_Score_Transposed.pdf good luck finding a trombone player that can hit the 12let 16th note intro and sound like 16th notes and not a glissando. you might want to change that to 8th notes arpeggiatting the chord. and that bassoon part (bari sax?) has a bit of a Pachelbel's Canon feel to it not at all interesting to hear. give the f horns a bit more of a melody . sorry if this is offensive i tend to be critical when analyzing so take it with a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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