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  • Wow..."Before the Music Dies"

    I watched this documentary last night. Anybody on here that loves music and playing it should really watch this thing. Amazing.

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/62945/before-the-music-dies

    It's 1.5hrs long. And basically it tells how the industry came to be like it is, and shows a few points on what's next. The video is from 2006...I just wish I would have seen it then.

    My perspective has changed on music because of this video. It has added some clarity to my direction.

  • #2
    This is not available in my country, but I found a working version on google video. Thanks for the heads up.

    Edit: Okay, I've just watched it and I'm disappointed that it turned out to be a bunch of middle aged and older people whinging about the state of the music industry. Like I haven't heard that before. I can see why people who believe that music is under some kind of threat to its quality and integrity because of the labels will agree with the movie, but I personally see that entire view as bull****************. Its no different than my parents, or even sadly, some of my friends who cry about how it was all better "back in the day". I pretty much had a rebuttal to each argument right the way through, and found some of their views to be insulting, and showing a kind of ignorance of music at large. Also, absolutely no mention of rap, which indicates the middle aged bias here. Sorry, I know some people don't consider that music, but love it, or hate it, it is, and there are a TON of talented black musicians who came from nothing and developed their own labels or deals with major labels and produced high quality music that fit all those "artistic" standards that each pretentious pro musician was whining about.

    The fact that professional musicians can't understand the reasons why millions of people buy music that lacks the finely crafted quality of their own work amazes me. I personally enjoy fine cuisine, but it doesn't make me cry about the state of food today when people go out and buy McDonalds. Hell, even I do that sometimes. Sometimes there's nothing better than being able to get the same great tasting cheeseburger from city to city, even if it is produced by some 17 year old who just started that morning. Why don't people just accept that millions of people like music thats cheesy, simplistic and commercially driven AND THATS OKAY, and that its not threatening good music, which is far more accessible and available now, in this age than it has been at any other time in history.

    The only point in the whole documentary that I agree with 100% is that when something new comes along, most people will probably hate it for 5 years, and eventually it will become a classic. There's more life to music than ever before.

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    • #3
      Definetly going to watch this..
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      • #4
        Edit: Okay, I've just watched it and I'm disappointed that it turned out to be a bunch of middle aged and older people whinging about the state of the music industry. Like I haven't heard that before. I can see why people who believe that music is under some kind of threat to its quality and integrity because of the labels will agree with the movie, but I personally see that entire view as bull****************. Its no different than my parents, or even sadly, some of my friends who cry about how it was all better "back in the day". I pretty much had a rebuttal to each argument right the way through, and found some of their views to be insulting, and showing a kind of ignorance of music at large. Also, absolutely no mention of rap, which indicates the middle aged bias here. Sorry, I know some people don't consider that music, but love it, or hate it, it is, and there are a TON of talented black musicians who came from nothing and developed their own labels or deals with major labels and produced high quality music that fit all those "artistic" standards that each pretentious pro musician was whining about.

        The fact that professional musicians can't understand the reasons why millions of people buy music that lacks the finely crafted quality of their own work amazes me. I personally enjoy fine cuisine, but it doesn't make me cry about the state of food today when people go out and buy McDonalds. Hell, even I do that sometimes. Sometimes there's nothing better than being able to get the same great tasting cheeseburger from city to city, even if it is produced by some 17 year old who just started that morning. Why don't people just accept that millions of people like music thats cheesy, simplistic and commercially driven AND THATS OKAY, and that its not threatening good music, which is far more accessible and available now, in this age than it has been at any other time in history.

        The only point in the whole documentary that I agree with 100% is that when something new comes along, most people will probably hate it for 5 years, and eventually it will become a classic. There's more life to music than ever before.


        I heard the point to be more of how the industry is now more 'wall street' based. And because of that, the record companies and radio stations are more interested in making money than developing artists.

        Your argument is very valid. It is OK to have music that is cheesy and commercially driven. But at some point people do get sick of it.

        The problem is that truly gifted and talented musicians don't get a shot anymore, unless they are in their teens. That's why you hear so many "middle aged" people complaining about it. Most people don't even know who they are until they near 30. And once you know who you are, that frees you to develop yourself and set your natural talents free. Very few people are groomed from birth AND talented for what their parents are grooming them towards. Tiger Woods is an example of a golfer's son who was groomed to be an amazing golfer. Jack Johnson is an example of a guy who was groomed to be a pro surfer, like his dad, but ended up being a talented musician.

        The documentary touches on the fact that it's not enough to be talented anymore, you have to 'look' hollywood. Look at Stevie Ray Vaughan. No way that dude would get a record deal these days.

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        • #5
          Yep. I ain't looking for a record deal. If I put my music out there, the people that appreciate the music and not other superficial things will be fans. I want musical freedom and a loyal fanbase, so record deals aren't my thing. Even if I'm not rich, if my music is someday memorable and stands the test of time, what more do I want?
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          • #6
            I pay hardly any attention to music these days. I live almost entirely in the past these days because in my opinion, new commercial music is just boring. *shrug*

            The only modern current-day people I have any interest in these days are Coldplay, The Fleet Foxes, Elbow, Lisa Mitchell...and I'm not sure what else. Very few and far between in any case.

            I guess it IS a bit harder these days to be fully original and interesting when (a) a lot of it's already been done and how many times can one record the same thing with minute differences sufficient to make it interesting, and (b) the industry just sucks now. It's empty. I want my music to be heard simply because I love making it, not because I want it to be compared with any other current "talent". And that's not to say modern people aren't talented. A lot of them really are, but their potential is just not being fully realised.

            I especially hate it when industry types compare current artists with past ones. Like to say some new cheesy boy band has topped the record of CD sales because they've sold more than the Beatles. Hello? How can some one hit wonder band be compared to the BEATLES!? Back when the Beatles were at their peak, that little pipsqueak band people bleat about nowadays wouldn't even be HEARD. Things were so different back then.
            All things must pass...

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            • #7
              Well, Grace, if you look in certain forums, a lot of new independent bands and artists have emerged in the past few years and you could probably find their songs/album pretty easily. Remember, there's good and bad in every decade. I also agree with you that a lot of talented people opt to make not so innovative and timeless music, but rehashed "tv-dinner" kinds of albums. But I've searched online for new independent artists and bands, and I've found many who compare in some way to the great artists of yesterday and have integrity. Or, at least have the potential to make timeless music with soul.

              Just gotta look.
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              • #8
                Yep, very true. It annoys me that the people you don't HAVE to look for are the more boring lot. lol

                I've posted some samples of me singing in that thread about it hard to sing many words quickly, for your listening pleasure. lol.
                All things must pass...

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                • #9
                  Sweet.

                  It IS pretty darn lame. Like "Before The Music Dies" says, the industry is looking for looks and the talent can be given artificially. Since I'm sure I don't have the looks and I'm not a very cool person by the mainstream standards, I'm more worried about making lasting music that people would want to see me play for as long as I can physically get up and play it. If I can't play, I'm as good as dead to myself.

                  Speaking of looks, I might change my avatar. I think I have a picture of myself to use.. Hmm..
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                  • #10
                    Yeah. I just have no interest in being popular. I mean, it'd be a pretty big buzz to have people actually LIKE my music and want to hear it and stuff, but beyond that...I just don't care about all that.

                    The only other reason I'd want some form of popularity is to enable me to continue to make the music and not have to give it up through a total lack of time because I'm forced to make money by staying in my brain numbing office job, you know?
                    All things must pass...

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                    • #11
                      Yeah. I just have no interest in being popular. I mean, it'd be a pretty big buzz to have people actually LIKE my music and want to hear it and stuff, but beyond that...I just don't care about all that.

                      The only other reason I'd want some form of popularity is to enable me to continue to make the music and not have to give it up through a total lack of time because I'm forced to make money by staying in my brain numbing office job, you know?


                      Well, I think I'll be able to sympthasize more now that I'm old enough to work. God, why do I have to work? I'd rather watch TV.. lol

                      I'm usually the kid who gets picked on, so I'd rather not see the kinds of people who'd have picked on me liking my music. That'd be ironic.. Or girls coming after me because I'm a "musician", especially girls who wouldn't have given me the time of day had they met me before I started playing originals with a band. Those girls aren't worth my time or effort. Music is my girlfriend.

                      I seem to be a very sensitive person, in the sense that small things really bother me and I can't shake it off. I'd even like to, but I just can't. I've pretty much been mentally warped somehow; I get nervous in crowds, and in general I'm a very paranoid person. Sometimes it really affects my life, and it may affect my performing. Hmm.. I have a lot of personal issues. :'( lol
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                      • #12
                        lol, meehh, we all do, us creative types. Don't worry. This is one of the ways you can express yourself openly and freely. I truly believe that if people didn't have music, there'd be a LOT more violence in the world.

                        As far as performing goes...I think the only way you'd be able to relax enough to "get over" (not really, but push them to the side at least) those issues is to have enough confidence in yourself and your music so that you could believe that the people there to see you actually DO like your music (and who cares if they like YOU anyway? They don't even know you! They're just there for the music, and that's completely cool), and also, eventually if you can get yourself to a place where you're just totally immersed IN your music while you're performing, you know? So nothing / nobody else matters.

                        And hey, I was a weirdo in school. Picked on by the snobby popular girls. Part of me would love to push it in their faces if I was ever successful at doing something I love. However, the majority of me simply has no interest in them now and what they think of me. If I was performing one day and saw one of them in the audience, I don't think I'd really feel much of anything except glad that people were actually there! lol
                        All things must pass...

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                        • #13
                          I like your way of thinking. :P I won't care about any of my bullies if I ever accomplish anything. I don't need people knowing about me, I'd rather them know the music. I'm not a movie star, I make music.

                          If god gave me a nice voice, it's because he gave me bad looks, as I heard a radio host say once.

                          Anyways, I don't think it'll affect playing live, because as you said, most of the people going to the shows are probably not going to cause trouble, they're there for music and not out doing wrong.

                          By the way, I'm listening to another song, and if you can be more aggressive in your singing, I think you'd be golden.
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                          • #14
                            Heheh, cool.

                            Hey, who're you calling ugly? Is that you in your avatar pic? If so, you're SO not ugly, man!! You remind me of a more attractive-looking John Lennon crossed with a slight Daniel Johns (Australian band Silverchair lead man).
                            All things must pass...

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                            • #15
                              Heh, thanks. I'm usually wearing glasses, too. So I guess I'd look a bit more like an attractive-looking John Lennon crossed with a slight Daniel Johns Australian band Silverchair lead man. ;p You're pretty, too.

                              Anyone else wanna join in on this feel-good moment? lol

                              Y'know, on another note, you should see me with my hair starting to grow out, I really do look like a beatle, in a bad way.. I really wanna grow my hair out to look more like a rocker, but I'm not sure how that'd turn out. I actually have a question about that to ask you, but I won't derail this thread, so I'll PM you. lol
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