Members BeeTL Posted August 30, 2010 Members Share Posted August 30, 2010 I just pulled these out of a pair of HOME stereo speakers my brother has carted around for years. 15" bass drivers - 136A Mid - 2461 driver/2301 horn High - 2405 There was also a crossover network, but I assumed it wasn't worth pulling out. Everything is clean and kept in AC its entire life. Pics: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted August 30, 2010 Members Share Posted August 30, 2010 Yes, they are worth something, actually quite a bit to the right folks. The 2405 is a well respected diffraction slot tweeter, the 2460 is a nice midrange driver that on the right horn loads nicely down to 800Hz, and so-so down to 500Hz. It was replaced by the 2470 in the 1970's byt hung on for their own speaker lines a little longer. It's a 1" exit, 1.75"VC, phenolic impregnated linen diaphgram. -3dB at about 12kHz. I probably have diagphrams for this one in stock and it MIGHT also be able to use a 2420 or 2425 aluminum diaphgram but I am not sure. The 136A's that you have may be recones, I don't remember them doping the cones that early but it is possible. I didn't do much with the home speaker line and this part didn't cross over into live audio that I have ever seen. The crossovers would also be desireable, you might look at selling them on EBAY, I'll bet the whole pile is worth $500 w/ xovers. When you ship, package VERY carefully and securely. The potential for damaging your found money is high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeeTL Posted August 30, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 30, 2010 Yes, they are worth something, actually quite a bit to the right folks. The 2405 is a well respected diffraction slot tweeter, the 2460 is a nice midrange driver that on the right horn loads nicely down to 800Hz, and so-so down to 500Hz. It was replaced by the 2470 in the 1970's byt hung on for their own speaker lines a little longer. It's a 1" exit, 1.75"VC, phenolic impregnated linen diaphgram. -3dB at about 12kHz. I probably have diagphrams for this one in stock and it MIGHT also be able to use a 2420 or 2425 aluminum diaphgram but I am not sure. The 136A's that you have may be recones, I don't remember them doping the cones that early but it is possible. I didn't do much with the home speaker line and this part didn't cross over into live audio that I have ever seen.The crossovers would also be desireable, you might look at selling them on EBAY, I'll bet the whole pile is worth $500 w/ xovers. When you ship, package VERY carefully and securely. The potential for damaging your found money is high. The 15s were definitely reconed, I had it done in the early 90s by a qualified tech. The cabs themselves are knockoffs and made of particle board, covered with formica with a glass top. The grills, however, are JBL factory OEM. They have quite an intricate crossover control setup which is still intact, although that is a knockoff, too. If I were to reassemble them, the baffle would need a little reinforcing around the subs. Otherwise, cosmetically they're pretty perfect for something this old. They are HUGE for home stereo, and would be nearly impossible to ship intact. Would you suggest listing the parts package on eBay as a set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted August 30, 2010 Members Share Posted August 30, 2010 Yes, list the parts package, offer the crossovers for free but note them as not a factory JBL assembly. Burn the cabinets (outdoors). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stix 518 Posted August 30, 2010 Members Share Posted August 30, 2010 Yes. From a (volunteer) fireman's perspective, outdoors is always the preferred method for burning cabinets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rezrover Posted August 30, 2010 Members Share Posted August 30, 2010 And maybe get a burn permit from the local FD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeeTL Posted August 30, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 30, 2010 Damn...I Googled "JBL 2461 136A 2405" and this thread popped up! I'm not sure JBL made a cab spec'ed with these exact components, or if they did, I can't find it. It makes sense that they could have been modeled after Studio Monitors, and massive ones at that. I'll look into listing the whole package on eBay after I get a sense of what my shipping expense might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeeTL Posted August 30, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 30, 2010 I think I found it! It looks like these were a knockoff of the JBL L300, with a different mid-horn lens: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted August 31, 2010 Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 The nearfield lens may install over your horn, or may use a different flair, and this could depend on if there are the stepped perforated diffusers in your conical flair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeeTL Posted August 31, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 The nearfield lens may install over your horn, or may use a different flair, and this could depend on if there are the stepped perforated diffusers in your conical flair. There are stepped diffusers over the horn. These are definitely near-field monitors. Now I'm half tempted to rebuild these components into modern, side-firing towers for my brother. They'd STILL be huge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted August 31, 2010 Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 There are stepped diffusers over the horn. The street term is: "Potato mashers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted August 31, 2010 Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 I think I found it! It looks like these were a knockoff of the JBL L300, with a different mid-horn lens: Oh... and those slant horn lens' are called cheese slicers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted August 31, 2010 Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 I'll look into listing the whole package on eBay after I get a sense of what my shipping expense might be. Figure you'll be shipping to Japan. Bet you a mic cable on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeeTL Posted August 31, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 Figure you'll be shipping to Japan.Bet you a mic cable on that. Potato masher...cheese grater...check! If I don't allow international shipping, do I still win the bet? By the way, the tips on the PS-2000 were very helpful...it's back on line and running strong. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted August 31, 2010 Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 Is that an L-300? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeeTL Posted August 31, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 Is that an L-300? Yes sir, it is. I'm discovering these are like the Holy Grail in certain circles. I wonder if knockoff cabs with OEM drivers and grills would have a similar appeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members agedhorse Posted August 31, 2010 Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 Best let the buyer make his own knock-off. I did service a few, the wet look on the cones was not original. Wonder what kind of recone kit was used. A real collector might recone them with NOS or real vintage reproduction parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeeTL Posted August 31, 2010 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 Best let the buyer make his own knock-off.I did service a few, the wet look on the cones was not original. Wonder what kind of recone kit was used. A real collector might recone them with NOS or real vintage reproduction parts. Makes sense...these parts belong in the hands of someone who will put them to good use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gadget Posted August 31, 2010 Members Share Posted August 31, 2010 Reminds me of an episode of "American Pickers" I saw last night where they found the parts stock from a 1930s Harley Davidson dealer. It really was amazing seeing brand new stuff in original packaging that has just been stored all these years. I can imagine a similar episode where they find AgedHorse's private stash. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted September 1, 2010 Members Share Posted September 1, 2010 If I don't allow international shipping, do I still win the bet? No, you won't win the bet because: If you don't allow international shipping, considering the stuff you have to sell, my experience selling same make and model stuff suggests without international shipping, figure on somewhere between 1/4 and 1/10th the winning bid amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members W. M. Hellinger Posted September 1, 2010 Members Share Posted September 1, 2010 If I don't allow international shipping, do I still win the bet? No, you won't win the bet (in an over-all sense) because: If you don't allow international shipping, considering the stuff you have to sell, my experience selling same make and model stuff suggests without international shipping, figure on somewhere between 1/4 and 1/10th the winning bid amount. That stuff is vintage American heavy metal. In a country where the youth has money, and walls are commonly constructed with rice paper... real beef seems to command a premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BeeTL Posted September 14, 2010 Author Members Share Posted September 14, 2010 Interesting post-script...I have two brothers, and it was my oldest (#1) who originally had the speakers built in his early 20s. I never knew that. When he moved out of State, my next older brother (#2) took possession and has had them on and off since then. For that reason I always thought #2 had them built as I never saw them in #1's possession as a kid. Also, one sister each had them at her place for a few years in the 90s, and it was then that I had them reconed. Anyhow, when brother #1 found out we were parting them out he offered to buy the components and crossovers. He's now looking for a cabinet builder to build them into 4333s. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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