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  • #16
    Gotta agree with mpegsucks on this one. If you've got balanced outs on the mixer, why are you using the direct box? You aren't actually eschewing the balanced outs, and instead running the mixer's unbalanced outs into a DI in order to make them... balanced outs???

    Or, are you using it because your keyboard only has unbalanced outs, and you want to run them to balanced ins on your keyboard mixer? (If so, geez, how long are the cords between your keyboard and mixer?)

    Or, are you using the DI as a sort of "splitter" your keyboard goes into, where the DI's balanced out goes to the FOH mixer's balanced in, and the DI's unbalanced out (ie, passthru) goes to your keyboard mixer's unbalanced ins? (This is the only scenario that makes sense to me). If so, want an even cleaner, brighter sound? Do your digital keyboards have digital outs? (Look for something that resembles an RCA jack labeled SPDIF). If so, get a mixer that has digital inputs (and balanced outs). Use the digital connections instead of your key's analog audio outs. And then give the FOH your balanced outs. No need for a DI at all. It will sound as good as it gets.

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    • #17
      Anyone used the DIs from audiopile.net? They (the company) has a good reputation over in electric guitars, the cables I got from them were very nice and quite cheap.

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      • #18
        I disagree (respectfully of course) with Delaware. My band's soundmen (top-notch techies) have been very complimentary of my sound with the Duplex. My band opened up for country star Justin Moore a couple months ago, and his keyboard player's rig (2 Triton Extreme 88's) sounded killer out front. He was using the single version of the Duplex. That's what convinced me to pull the trigger. But I'm all in favor of skepticism, because the lack of it can cost you alot of $$$$, I have learned.



        I'm pretty convinced that using the RAPCO DI boxes would produce similar results. I certainly wouldn't pay $315 to get a small incremental difference. I do agree with MPEG: " .. Keep it simple. The more gear you run your signal thru, the more it gets altered..."
        '57 Hammond B3; '69 Hammond L100P; Hammond XM2/XMc2; '68 Leslie 122; Motion Sound Low Pro/Pro 3T; Neo Vent; Kurzweil PC3; Generalmusic Equinox 88 Pro and 76 key versions; Voce V5+; EV ELX112P; '67 Howard Combo Organ; http://www.dyinbreedband.webs.com

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        • #19
          "Or, are you using the DI as a sort of "splitter" your keyboard goes into, where the DI's balanced out goes to the FOH mixer's balanced in, and the DI's unbalanced out (ie, passthru) goes to your keyboard mixer's unbalanced ins? (This is the only scenario that makes sense to me)."

          That is exactly what I am trying to do with the Duplex....I've got balanced outs on my submixer and it's 2-3 feet away so no need for a DI in that instance. I would like to run unbalanced cables from my two boards into the DI, then send balanced XLR outs to the FOH. The "thru" signal would be then sent to my unbalanced inputs on the submixer, where I can separately control my monitor volume from "control room" balanced outs on the mixer. My boards don't have a digital out, so the cleanest analog path is what I am looking for!


          And yes, it's a helluva lot of cash to spend on gear, but you get what you pay for sometimes...and sometimes you just spend too much damn money. And the rent...IS TOO DAMN HIGH.

          Allen

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          • #20
            That is exactly what I am trying to do with the Duplex


            Ah ok. That makes sense. (Although I thought you said you had an Allen and Heath mixer. These are quality mixers. There shouldn't be a notable difference between its balanced outs and a DI's balanced out).

            But if your keys have digital outs, consider a mixer with digital ins (instead of the direct box).

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            • #21
              Yeah, I wish I could take this ZED22FX with me to gigs because it does sound pretty damn great...even the Jensen may not really offer any clear advantage. But it's got a big footprint and my rig is too large already. Normally I'd bring along a 1402VLZ3 for gigs since it's a lot smaller and unfortunately doesn't sound quite as purdy, hence the Duplex ability to bypass the rather thin sounding outs on the Mackie to get FOH sweetness. We'll probably end up using the A&H as our band PA mixer anyway...wish my current boards had digital outs, but no such luck!

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              • #22
                Keep it simple. The more gear you run your signal thru, the more it gets altered..."


                I definitely agree with this. Simplicity is sweet! That's why I bought the Duplex. With all it's inputs, features, and flexibility, I don't even use a line mixer for most gigs. 2 boards, the Duplex, and a stage amp.

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                • #23
                  JDI Duplex user here too. I usually run them into a John Hardy Style preamp by Seventh Circle Audio. BIG difference from taking direct outs from the board! For a lack of a better way to put it, I notice a fuller sound with more Bandwidth.
                  Live Keys Rig:
                  Yamaha XS7-Korg M50-61-QSC K12 Monitor (Korg Kronos 73 will replace M50 once programmed)
                  Guitar Rig:
                  Fender Strats-Gibson Les Paul Classic-Ibanez 3220 TW (Quilt), Mesa Mark IV, RM4-RT2/50, Crate V3112, and a bunch of pedals/modules
                  Bass Rig:
                  Mike Lull M5-Ashdown ABM 500 RC-Bergantino Cabs, A handful of pedals.

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