What the difference between a ride, and a ride/crash cymbol?

does a ride crash........giv you the function of a ride and you can still hit it like a crash and get the same effect as a crash?

Beg_govi........long time guitarists short time drummer(as if you couldnt tell;))

A ride, when hit, gives a "ping" sound. Even if you hit it hard, you still get a "ping" sound only louder (hittin it really really hard gives the sound of wood cracking. LOL). With a Crash/Ride, you can hit it like a crash cymbal and get a crash type sound from it, yet you can also use it like a ride and get a "ping" type sound. Crash/Rides are very versitile cymbals. At least tha's what I think. I gotta get me one of em.

ND

so what would be the advantage of having more than 1 crash avialible? surely it does the same as the next, just a different tone?

all cymbals come in different diameters. the smaller the diameter, the higher the pitch the cymbal has, and vice versa. normally, drummers have a primary crash, and a secondary crash (my primary is a 16" and my secondary is an 18") and this gives better accents to songs. someone else better explain it better, because i'm just a newbie anyway.

Well, you can kinda think of all cymbals like that. All cymbals "do the same as the next" but at different tones (and sounds). Having multiple crashes gives different tones and also can provide a more full effect when hitting two at once. Splashes and China cymbals provide accents and effects. There are a wide variety of cymbals and people use what they like. For me, the only thing I would like is a larger crash, like an 18" because I would like to have some heavier cymbal tones. I use all my cymbals (which are very few compared to some of the people on this forum), but I have talked to drummers (who do studio work) that have 10 or 15 cymbals and they admit that they don't use em all. Why they have em, I don't know. Maybe for looks or something, I have no idea.

ND

Does paiste have a ride/crash in the signature series?

Ahhhhh yes they do, the Rude series!!

Nice signature What the hell is the point of having anti-war bull{censored} on there?

I have a B8 Pro Sabian 18" Medium Ride... is this exclusively a Ride? Because I'm starting to enjoy crashing on it (sounds a lot like a chinese gong I guess), it sustains for ages...

am I doing something wrong?? LMAO I bought the kit from a friend so I just hit stuff without knowing if its legit

Any cymbal 18" up is a ride in my book

I ride both my Zildjian K dark 18" crashe,s both given different sounds, watch Ginger Baker playing and see him ride on about 4 cymbals in one song, you can really hear the difference when you watch him play.

Originally posted by Xplora I have a B8 Pro Sabian 18" Medium Ride... is this exclusively a Ride? Because I'm starting to enjoy crashing on it (sounds a lot like a chinese gong I guess), it sustains for ages... am I doing something wrong?? LMAO I bought the kit from a friend so I just hit stuff without knowing if its legit

there's nothing wrong with crashing the ride...if it sounds good, then hell, crash crash crash!

Few Cymbals? I still can

Originally posted by Grolubao I just wanted my 16" K had a bit more volume...

Go grab yourself one of them new fangled Z Custom Projection Crashes.

Originally posted by BlinkRay182 there's nothing wrong with crashing the ride...if it sounds good, then hell, crash crash crash!

SWEEET... now my drummer friends can look at me with horror when I crash my rides all the time (it takes a BIG strike to crash it )

I kind of think of crash/rides similarly to "all weather tires" or "combination TV/stereo/food processors". They do an adequate job of fulfulling each function, but don't really excel at either.

Rides tend to be heavier and larger in diameter than crashes. As a result, it's harder to get the whole cymbal to vibrate violently with one strike. The resulting sound (unless you really smack it) is some sort of "ping" with relatively little wash.

Crashes tend to be thinner and smaller in diameter than rides. As a result, it's much easier to get the whole cymbal to vibrate in a fairly violent manner. The resulting sound (unless you just barely tap it) is a loud "crash" filled with wash.

Splashes are just teeny weeny crash cymbals. China cymbals, like Chinese food, contain MSG and you'll be hungry again in half an hour!

Crash/rides are kind of a blend of the two (crashes and rides, that is). They're a little thinner and lighter than a typical ride, but a little heavier and thicker than a typical crash. They tend to be on the big side as far as crash cymbals go (18" or so), but small compared to most rides. When you ride on them, it can be very easy to build up a wash that can cloud or overwhelm the "ping" sound. This can be abated by playing on the bell, and/or hitting less frequently and/or softer. Getting a good "crash" sound out of them will necessitate hitting a little harder than your typical crash.

Some people buy them (or are told to buy them) because they can only afford one cymbal when they first start out. The downside of this plan is that once you buy a dedicated crash or ride, you're left with a cymbal that is only so-so at it's new "primary" function.

Other people will buy them for exactly the opposite reason. They already have a ride cymbal and a crash or two and are now looking for another sound on their kit. A crash/ride can be a versatile addition to these folks.

Finally, in answer to the "why do people have so many cymbals" question. There are actually two answers.

Answer 1: Having more than one crash cymbal can allow for you to hit multiple crashes in succession without having to interfere with the sound a cymbal by hitting it many times. More crashes give you more choices in sound (pitch, volume, tone...etc.). Multiple crashes can also make your kit easier to play, essentially putting more targets closer to where you play certain fills...for example it can be difficult for some folks to get from their floor tom on the lower right side of their kit back to a crash cymbal mounted high on the left. By putting a 2nd crash on the left side, they can get there quicker and more easily.

Answer 2: More is better and drummers tend to be gearheads. After playing with one cymbal for a month, a drummer begins lusting for a second. Two months after buying the second, a drummer sees a third that "would be just perfect over my second tom." A few months later the drummer thinks, "hmmm...I seem to have a space between two of my cymbals...what should I fill it with?....howsabout another cymbal?!" and #4 suddenly arrives. Then, while picking up sticks at the music store, the drummer sees a used china cymbal on the rack that appears to have been mispriced and is soooo cheap that it's the drummer's moral responsibility to free the cymbal from the confines of the shop. While there's no room for it in his current setup, he figures it would be a waste to keep a cymbal without playing it, so the drummer buys an extra long boom stand to squeeze it into his kit. As a special deal, the music store throws in a multi-clamp with another cymbal arm on it. Well, we can't have any empty cymbal arms hanging around doing nothing, so maybe we'll be looking at splash cymbals.....

On and on and on and on. It's all a conspiracy by the brass industry to keep themselves in business.

I like Steve's answer.

To offer up my answer, some drummers also have an exact picture of how many cymbals they want, and where they want to mount them.

I can't afford all of them right now, but I know exactly what I want to buy, and where (and how) I'll mount them when I do.

Two sets of hi-hats: one left, with the pedal, and one right, closed all the time.

Four crashes: two left, two right.

One ride: right side down low, over the floor tom.

Two splashes: Both mid, just above the mounted toms.

One "stack": Mid, in between the spashes.

One china: mounted on a cymbal stacker above the ride.

And that's all I want.

Originally posted by Chabo And that's all I want.

.....for now. heh heh heh heh;)

I gotta say, buyin cymbals is very addictive. I already have a bunch and I still find myself checkin Ebay for more. The worst thing is that for every cymbal you buy, you gotta get a stand. This is getting to expensive. Guitar player have it so easy, buy an axe, good amp and you're set same with the bass players (BTW, I play all of those instruments). I'm sure I'll get some good responses from the guitar players (who strayed into the drum forum just lookin for a change of scenary) on this one. LOL

ND

Tell that to my guitarist. He's acquired about 8 different heads and about 50 different pedals. Gear-itis is not instrument specific, IMHO.

Long time guitar player........I know how it gets......with guitars......you just get another.....then another......then a different colour.....or a baritone or 12 string version.....and jesus no time at all and you got 10 guitars and 3 amps.....hehe.....plus effects and wah wahs and voice boxes and other little boxes of tricks.

I was looking for a crash/ride, I