z custom or RUDE?

hey, ive been searching for a good entry level kit and a few good cymbols (money isnt a problem) and ive been looking at some of my favorite artist kit and i noticed joey j of slipknot uses all rude symbols and he does have an aggressive sound and explodes from the cd player and ive notice the rude series cost more than the z customs and the z customs not as good?

so far im looking at a Pearl Forum 5-Piece Standard Drum Set

14" Paiste Rude Sound Edge Hi-Hats

18" Rude China

and a 18" Rude Crash Ride on those edge high hats they are more expensive than the regaular rude hi hats whats the difference these edge hi hats sound more aggressive sounding than the other ones

I have some 14" A Custom Mastersound hats with that "edge" on the bottom cymbal. I think it makes the sound more full, because the hats don't form a complete seal and they slide on each other a bit more. It's hard to explain, but instead of a "chick, chick, chick, chick", it's like a "sch, sch, sch, sch". Also, if you are leading into a chorus or some wicked fill, you just hit the hats successively harder to make the "sch" sound louder. If you listen to CD's, a lot of drummers do that.

But I like Zildjians. I think Paistes are overpriced.

i like z-custom better personally and the rude cymbals are expensive.

well if money isn't a problem, i'd say step up a level in your drumkit. look into tama rockstars, yamaha stage customs, or if u want to keep it with pearl then exports are good. i have an export myself and i have no complaints. for the cymbals, i agree with getting the A custom mastersounds. they are really great hats. you should go to your local store and compare the rudes to z customs. i did that before, and i couldn't really differenciate(sp?) except for the prices.

Hmm, I have those Mastersounds for sale in another thread...

i wouldn't buy rudes or z customs. Neither are particularly musical cymbals, they are very loud. If you are learning to play drums, you don't need cymbals like that, nor should you be modeling your kit after a professional that plays a very specific genre of music. I would suggest getting medium weight cymbals and practicing multiple genres of music and learning to hit the cymbals effectively and tastefully rather than just bashing on them. Slamming on heavy cymbals isn't a good way to start.

Stapes,

I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm a dedicated metalhead, but I can NOT stand cymbals that are heavy...in fact, I prefer thin cymbals because they are so much more musical sounding.... There is a reason that PA systems exist.

I would go with a set of 14" 2002's myself, or a perhaps a set of 14" Dimensions....that is, unless you want to kick out the big bucks for a set of Signatures, in that case I'd go with a Dark Crisp - which is a medium-thin top matched with a heavy bottom.

Just my perspective as a longtime Paiste user.

Tim

RUDES are not that versatile. They are great for what they are intended for, loud aggressive rock. I would get some nice Paiste Signature or 2002's.

Hi there, I have ALOT of Paiste RUDE cymbals. They sound

GREAT! I HAVE played on Zil`s before, and I didn`t like they

way they looked OR sounded. Granted, Paiste`s ARE

expensive, but, I only break a cymbal on average about

once every 3-5 years. The last cymbal that I broke was a

16 inch 3000 RUDE crash, that I broke in August 2001.

Before that it was a 10 inch 3000 RUDE splash that I broke

in 1995. So, as long as you know HOW to hit and strike the

cymbals properly, you shouldn`t have to deal with breaking

or cracking cymbals. When I DID play Zil`s I broke them at

least once every 6-9 months.

uhhh if you break cymbals that often then the problem isn't the cymbals, it's you. I have zildjian A cymbals and they don't have a scratch on them after 3 years, and i play 2-4 hours a day religiously.

Paiste Rude's are great cymbals. Stewart Copeland used them exclusively for years; he was one of the most musical drummers around. If they are good enough for Copeland, they are good enough for me.

I have 2 17" Z Custom Med. Crashes on my kit, and a set of Z Dyno-Beats....I have always wanted to try Rude's but I know that Z's are more musical

I think that A Zildjians are actually the way to go if you're looking for aggressive music.

http://zildjian.com/artists-list-frames.asp?gr=PM

Look under all of the drummer's setups for hard rock, metal, and punk. Some of the hardest hitting drummers barely use any Z Custom cymbals, if at all. Some of them even use K Zildjians, which are designed to be thinner. Ginger Fish, Marilyn Manson's drummer, is the only one I see who uses Z Customs exclusively.