Members Norulesmusic Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Favorite Progressive Rock Drummer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Camel Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Nice question. No 1 (for me anyway) - Micheal Giles, specifically from the McDonald and Giles cd, 1971. http://www.dprp.vuurwerk.nl/forgotten/macdonald/ Every time i hear this album the drums make the hairs stand up on end ! No 2 would be Andy Ward from.........Camel ! Im not a real prog freak, I like to dip in and out. I totally admire Neil Pert, but I dont particuarly like Rush. In the same way I admire Mike Portnoy, but again I dont listen to Dream Theatre, I have a cd or two but it just doesnt do it for me. Then there is the whole "What is progressive rock?" debate....I'll stop right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ArtVandelay Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 How many successful prog rock bands have there really been? Successful in the sense that a decent number of people will have heard of them outside of their own local followings. Here are the more successful ones I can think of and all of them had excellent drummers: Genesis (early years): Phil CollinsYes: Bill Bruford (they were less progressive and more rock when Alan White joined)Rush: Neil Peart, John RutseyEmerson, Lake, and Palmer: Carl PalmerKing Crimson: Bill Bruford, Pat Mastelotto (can't recall who preceeded Bruford)UK: Bill Bruford, Terry BozzioDream Theater: Mike PortnoyTool (well, I consider them a very heavy prog rock): Danny CareyJethro Tull: a whole bunch Seems like Bill Bruford is a common thread in a few of them. So maybe he's the best ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Camel Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Originally posted by ArtVandelay King Crimson: Bill Bruford, Pat Mastelotto (can't recall who preceeded Bruford) The first King Crimson drummer was Micheal Giles, I should have mentioned this in my post about McDonald and Giles above. Micheal Giles and Ian McDonald were both on the first King Crimson album and left due to mucial differences on the first US tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tangman Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 I do not like prog at all.........but if I had to choose I'd say Danny Carey (Tool) and Martin Lopez (Opeth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ulank Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Rod Morgenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ArtVandelay Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Originally posted by ulank Rod Morgenstein So are you considering the Dregs and Dixie Dregs prog rock and not fusion? I always used to see them refered to as a fusion band. Maybe because they didn't have any vocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ulank Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Originally posted by ArtVandelay So are you considering the Dregs and Dixie Dregs prog rock and not fusion? I always used to see them refered to as a fusion band. Maybe because they didn't have any vocals. Damn labels. I could see the fusion reference, but I'd say it's a fine line with prog. In the end, it's just a label. Stylistically, he does some very progressive stuff, but the Dregs do have that crazy combo of country twang, rock, odd time/syncopation and over the top playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ArtVandelay Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 I think the diff is the vocals. Think about it. Aside from the higher level of complexity, how much difference was there between Yes and Mahavishnu Orchestra? I think prog rock is fusion with singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ulank Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Originally posted by ArtVandelay I think the diff is the vocals. Think about it. Aside from the higher level of complexity, how much difference was there between Yes and Mahavishnu Orchestra? I think prog rock is fusion with singing. Quite possibly. In any case, I like Morgenstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scheming Demon Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Now you're talking my language. Mike Portnoy and Neil Peart hands down for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ulank Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Originally posted by Scheming Demon Now you're talking my language. Mike Portnoy and Neil Peart hands down for me. Mike Portnoy has certainly influenced me the most. For years before I truly became a drummer, I listened to a ton of DT and that's when I first started paying attention to the drums. His style became ingrained in my brain. He's certainly one of my faves as well. But it changes all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fastplant Posted June 24, 2005 Members Share Posted June 24, 2005 Portnoy or Danny Carey if you consider them prog. I think the thing that turns me off prog drummers is the lack of feeling and emotion behind them. Neil Peart sounds like a robot. Don't get wrong, he's an amazing drummer, he just doesn't do anything for me. I'd love to have his timing. But I like listening to drummers like Carter Beauford who's drumming, while similar in some respects, has a lot of heart and feeling behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The*Ataris Posted June 25, 2005 Members Share Posted June 25, 2005 I'd consider Laymen Terms ( www.laymentermsmusic.com/ ) pretty prog. Their new drummer Greg is the greatest drumming force on the planet... Their old drummer who plays on the current recordings isn't too shabby either... You can stream their entire new album at their purevolume site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scheming Demon Posted June 25, 2005 Members Share Posted June 25, 2005 Originally posted by fastplant I think the thing that turns me off prog drummers is the lack of feeling and emotion behind them. Far too many people think this way. Same thing with so called guitar gods like Yngwie Malmsteen. Guys that come around with blazing chops are criticized for lack of feeling. I personally disagree. I happen to think both Portnoy and Peart play with tons of feeling. Obviously you don't hear it but I do. It's all a matter of perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fastplant Posted June 25, 2005 Members Share Posted June 25, 2005 Originally posted by Scheming Demon Far too many people think this way. Same thing with so called guitar gods like Yngwie Malmsteen. Guys that come around with blazing chops are criticized for lack of feeling. I personally disagree. I happen to think both Portnoy and Peart play with tons of feeling. Obviously you don't hear it but I do. It's all a matter of perspective. Possibly. Back in the day I was a big Rush fan. But Peart's drumming, which is the main thing that drew me in, is the same thing that eventually turned me off of them. I'm not saying no prog drummer has feeling. I just haven't heard a good example. Maybe someone can provide me with some examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ulank Posted June 25, 2005 Members Share Posted June 25, 2005 Originally posted by fastplant Possibly. Back in the day I was a big Rush fan. But Peart's drumming, which is the main thing that drew me in, is the same thing that eventually turned me off of them. I'm not saying no prog drummer has feeling. I just haven't heard a good example. Maybe someone can provide me with some examples. Precisely why I like Morgenstein. He can be busy and complex but still make it groove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lysakoski Posted June 25, 2005 Members Share Posted June 25, 2005 Originally posted by fastplant I think the thing that turns me off prog drummers is the lack of feeling and emotion behind them. Check out Nick DiVirgilio from Spock's Beard, he's got great chops but plays with a loose feel that's a lot more natural-sounding than people like Portnoy or Carey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fastplant Posted June 25, 2005 Members Share Posted June 25, 2005 Cool, I'll check those guys out, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheesey Posted June 25, 2005 Members Share Posted June 25, 2005 Ian Paice is high on my list of great drummers. Also like Cozy Powell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lousy Bum Posted June 26, 2005 Members Share Posted June 26, 2005 Well, I'm not too into the prog rock (was into Tool until I realized how pretentious they were) but drummers with odd-timing that I dig nowadays are Brann Dailor (Mastodon, more metal than prog, but an incredible drummer: MASTODON) and Will Scharf (Keelhaul, kind of hard to describe. Since people are label-crazy I'll call them math-prog: KEELHAUL). If you're into metal and that sort of thing, I highly suggest you check those two out if you haven't before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members keric Posted June 26, 2005 Members Share Posted June 26, 2005 BILL BRUFORD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burque Posted June 28, 2005 Members Share Posted June 28, 2005 Originally posted by keric BILL BRUFORD The {censored}! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ignited Posted June 28, 2005 Members Share Posted June 28, 2005 Danny Carey for me. I also like some of the stuff Bobby Jombarzek has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Camel Posted June 28, 2005 Members Share Posted June 28, 2005 Originally posted by Lousy Bum Brann Dailor (Mastodon, more metal than prog, but an incredible drummer: MASTODON). Oh yeah ! Brann from Mastodon is a great drummer. I had lost a lot of interest in metal until I heard Leviathan. I saw Mastodon in Birmingham in December, and am off to see them in London in two weeks time - I cant wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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