What do you guys think of this

Check this article out, picked it up off one of the RS7000 forums

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1026308,00.html

So dance music is going back underground?

Well thank {censored} for that. Now that the bandwagon jumpers and posers are pissing of to listen to dreary rock music and get floppy side partings and 'retro' woolly jumpers, clubs will be fun again.

The scenesters are leaving, but the number of people truely into particular genres for the music is increasing. The trouble is that scenesters are the majority, so it looks like its all going downhill and dance is dying, but, for those who know, its just getting better and better! Electronic music won't be dying for a looooooooong time.

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hmmmm....

I still play to a rack of kids every week.. Not to mention all the events in which I'm on the attendee side.. It's just taking another evolutionary step. Out with the old, in with the new. Lets face it, the production equipment evolves drastically every 6 months, so the music tends to as well. You've also got to figure since EVERYBODY has turntables now, why should we go watch Paul Oakensuck trainwreck 8 times in 2 hours when we can go watch our friends mix flawlessly all night? The superclubs are losing now because they never gave any attention to up and comers. It's always the same lineups in every city. Promoters are just assholes for ever letting it become that way. Someone should have told these DJs to go {censored} themselves the first time they put multi-thousand dollar pricetags on themselves. They should be doing it the rock way - give your talent a percentage of the events actual profits.

Umm do you have any idea what you're talking about? You know a lot of electronic producers and composers still use gear that was made in the 80s? Also gear barely evolves every 3 years. I think people like you make actual musicians dislike djs.

hey, guess what? {censored} you buddy.

it's pretty simple. New gear comes out ALL THE TIME. Maybe you don't catch harmony central's NAMM coverage, but whether or not you choose to accept it, it's a plain fact.

Sure - some misguided producers are still clinging to their 909s, but that's their problem. The gear is there, and if you read magazines like remix, which focus primarily on the production of electronic music (our topic here) you would see that most, if not all of the respected talent and up and comers are using LOADS of cool new gadgets, and even updated versions of their old toys. Sure, they might still have and use some old stuff, but they dont' cling to it like a baby blanket.

Just because you might doesn't give you the right to talk trash to me claiming to represent the opinion of millions of producers worldwide. prick.

Misguided producers clinging to their 909s???? Are you really stupid or just ignorant??? Have you ever actually seen a 909 much less heard one????? Like, a real TR-909??? By Roland???

I highly doubt that you have because the TR-909 is the absolute phattest sounding drum machine ever made. Nothing comes even close to it. When you have a 909 and an 808 in your studio, you are completely set when it comes to drums - provided that you are creative.......Nobody who knows anything about making electronic music would dispute that. I am a bonafide gear whore - I have used most of the toys and frankly, I know what is good.

The biggest problem with most of the new toys that come out is rather simple. Most are digitally based. While digital synthesis is handy, and easy to use for all the neophytes out there, you simply can not beat the sound of analogue. Analogue sound has a richness and a pureness that digital can not touch. Some virtual analogue synths are pretty close, but still, to my ears, my VA equipment just doesn't sound as good and if I use it, I tend to have to sample it and use Wavelab to fix the sound up.

Yes, most respected producers use loads of new gear, but do you wanna know why???? M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G

The instrument business works a lot like the record business. With the popularity of making electronic music, companies know that in order to sell their product, they have to get them into the hands of bigtime producers.......So, they give out loads and loads of free gear, or even gear at discount prices. (Does this remind you of record pools and white label exchanges???)

Any artist with any ounce of intelligence and creativity can get at least one of two useful sounds out of any piece of equipment no matter how {censored}ty the gear is. In the world of production, it is often really really nice to be able to drop a sound that makes all the A&R guys say "What the {censored} was that???"

And as far as Remix magazine goes, I won't even touch that one. I'll just advise you to check out the advertisements the next time you read it and see if there is any correlation between the new gear they cover and ads that they run........hmmmm...........

Anyways, my friend, you are 85% wrong and frankly, you made an ass out of yourself. I always get a kick out of people who spout off and start flaming on a message board. I am sure the guy you dissed is really scared now!!! Wow, you called him a prick...........I bet he is just crushed........

Peace

Oh no, everyone tremble at the sight of the mighty dj. Anyway way to resort to namecalling. Do you actually use any gear to make music or do you just play other people's? There's standards of what instruments to use in any genre of music. That's why vintage guitars and amps still go for obscene amounts of money. That's why vintage keyboards still sell for a lot. That's why hip hop producers all use MPCs and Tritons. Any new gear that comes out, no matter how cool it seems to looks, still tries to emulate the sounds of the vintage gear. Next time get a clue.

good article.

basically what it means is that younger more inovative artists have to have a very tight set in order to make it. No sloppy old dudes playing arena gigs anymore.

I'm not the one who came out here with attitude. I mereley retaliated. I've been posting here for a LONG time, and I only come out of the box like that when provoked. ghowell, you've been lurking here for a while too, and you should know that. I lost my cool and yeah, I called the guy a prick, and I stick to my guns. I think he was being a prick. the direct quote is "Umm do you have any idea what you're talking about? You know a lot of electronic producers and composers still use gear that was made in the 80s? Also gear barely evolves every 3 years. I think people like you make actual musicians dislike djs."

you seem to agree with me that gear has been evolving and pouring out of the woodwork over the past decade, particularly in the past few years. The other thing is, I'm {censored}ing sick and tired of people on this board ASSUMING that because I'm a DJ I couldn't possibly have any REAL musical talent. He refers to "actual" musicians disliking djs. I AM an "actual" musician, as it were. I gig regularly with my band as a guitar player. I'm not a good producer, but I do spend hours working on songs. As I've also stated in NUMEROUS posts here, I play lots of instruments the old fashioned way as well. Music is in my blood, almost literally passed down from my father. From the flute and piano at age 10 to guitar starting in 93, to my turntables and mixer, to my computer through reason, acid, and whatever other programs I get my hands on. My being a DJ is coincidental. It's the most recent of any of my musical endevors. It's also a {censored}load of fun, and that's why I do it. I'm currently working with a group of guys on a live drum n bass act. (live meaning no dj, just us and our piles of toys.) posts like the one the guy left solidify my fear that the djs out there doing groundbreaking musical things will never get respect just because they chose to play the turntables rather than a power chord.

I'm not a flamer, I'm a human being. I got offended and maybe I reacted badly, but I STILL contest that I was justified. I was provoked, and I reacted. He was being a prick. I apologize to anyone else I may have offended in my ranting.

Also, I'm well aware of what the 909 is capable of. Why else would I have brought it up? My reference is to the rack of producers out there who are all using the same core set of samples, trying to emulate each other, cause I hate hearing the same {censored}ing drums on every record I skim through. There's nothing worse than when once 'forward-thinking' music becomes stagnant and redundant. Everyone's always trying to sound like everyone else, you know what I mean?

Anyone who tries to argue that a DJ isn't a musician has never actually tried to mix two records together. But why argue with them??? Back in the day, people used to argue that guitars weren't real instruments. I've heard people try to argue that drummers aren't real musicians. Getting into arguments with the ignorant is pointless because nothing you say to someone will convince them that playing records is an art form.

It's like partaking in the old skool "is a piano a percussion instrument, or a string instrument??" argument. It is pointless and it will never be solved.

There is a lot of repetitive music coming out right now. I belong to three record pools and have been getting tons of promo vinyl from a few labels lately so trust me on this one. But it has nothing to do with the equipment that people are using. Going to raves is cool. Electronic music is poppy. Tons of producers are just following set formulas to make their tracks. Personally, I have trouble finding many artists in electronic music.......Back when I first got into techno (and later, house), finding vinyl was hard. You had to work to get anything. I remember walking into a record store in Los Angeles in 1990 and being totally surprised because they had three crates full of house music!!! That was like a state of nirvana. Strangely though, back then it was easier to find good songs........

In the future, you are going to want to learn to stay somewhat chill when you're having arguments like these. Frankly, I know a lot of promoters (I am one of them) who wouldn't book any cocky ass DJ who has the audacity to say anything negative about a 909. If you're serious about getting your name out there, make sure not to give people reasons to think that you're an idiot!!!

Stay peaceful