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  • best bit crusher: Oto Biscuit or Geiger Counter?

    I'm looking to get a bit crusher, will be used on drums mostly, which is cooler?
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  • #2
    I have the Geiger Counter and it kicks ass! The waveform seletion and the sound of the chrushing and distortion is brutal. Its also very solidly built and the colour is cool.
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    • #3
      For drums, I think Red Panda's stereo ins/outs have an advantage.
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      • #4
        Is the Red Panda unit true stereo or is it a mono effect that combines the L/R inout signal, processes it in mono, and then mixes the processed mono signal in with the passed stereo input? I have learned to be wary, if I care at all for stereo, of guitar pedals that appear to be stereo but that are not true stereo (e.g. Strymon Timeline). Sometimes I care, sometimes I don't.



        WMD stuff gets lots of love from the modular crowd, though I don't have any atm. I have several of their modules on my "want" list though, but not their bit crusher. The Biscuit appeals to me personally more as a stand-alone processor for drums due to its interface, especially for drum machines and groove boxes.
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        • #5
          I own both, so if you have any specific questions I'm here
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          • #6






            Quote Originally Posted by Sad Darwin
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            I own both, so if you have any specific questions I'm here




            If you could only have one which would it be any why?



            Which has better midi implementation?
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            • #7
              Biscuit, for the following reasons:



              --Stereo inputs and outputs. It just sounds fuller when left and right channels are crushed/distorted separately.



              --Biscuit lets you mix in the original signal with the 'naked' knob. This is particularly good for drums, whose punch can get lost in a 100% processed signal.



              --Built in filtering and delay effects (with MIDI clock).



              None of which is to say I wouldn't love to have a Geiger Counter. One distortion device is never enough.

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              • #8
                They are extremely different really. I'll go with The Geiger Counter first. It has the following features that I'll try and "Pro" and "Con":





                Geiger Counter:



                + An ocean of wave shaper algorithms on hand to process both the bitcrushing and downsampling sides of things. They result in sounds ranging from things that would resemble envelope filters (all very input and volume sensitive), to various forms of white/pink noise, to waveshaper distortion, to octaver effects.



                - The amount of waveshapes onhand can actually be intimidating, and with no patch memory the results can be nearly impossible to replicate. This is currently being worked on by William Mathewson with a version that you can save patches on, as well as have a wet/dry mix. Unfortunately it's been in production for a loooong time....



                + Input volume is controlled by a distortion preamp that bares much of the sonic qualities of a tube amp.



                - This makes it very difficult to get a clean/precise bitcrushing sound. This may seem like it's not that big of a deal, as who uses a bit crusher and doesn't want their sound obliterated? I just state this so that it's clear that this box is a bit grungier and grittier.





                Oto Biscuit:



                + Wet/dry mix, precise clean preamp, patch memory, a tight but highly usuable table of waveshaper distortions and octaver effects. Everything is highly usable and recallable.



                - This in turn also means that in it's clarity and focus it has slightly less possibilities.... sort of....



                + The OTO has a really interesting lo-fi Delay that I've used to some great effect. No negatives there



                + You can download a free low-fi Monosynth (Der OTO) and install it. It's amazing that they just basically threw in an entirely different product into the preexisting architecture. These guys I expect will continue this level of innovation and passion.



                + MIDI i/o



                + Analog multimode filter capable of beautifully sculpting anything you throw it. It can also be used as a Murf-like step filter, a very nice touch.



                + Interesting approach to bit reduction, as the OTO uses a system that either mutes or inverts each of the 8 bits. I prefer this sound to every single non-software based bitcrusher I've encountered.





                So if I had to choose it would be the OTO hands down. I could not have that device out of my effect rotation. That being said I do really love my Geiger Counter. Oddly I really like using it on my wife's vocals. It just gives a really characterful overdrive when you want it. One that's slighly muffled, but gritty as hell. If you have the money get both, but if you truly can only get one I believe I've provided some starting point for your decision.
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                • #9
                  Thanks Darwin. From the samples I've heard I'm totally in love with the Geiger sound, and not so much with the OTO, but until I've used both i really can't make a proper choice.



                  If you have time would you mind posting soundcloud clips of them crush drum samples? Would anyone else here on the forum be interested in hearing that?
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                  • #10






                    Quote Originally Posted by SoundwaveLove
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                    Thanks Darwin. From the samples I've heard I'm totally in love with the Geiger sound, and not so much with the OTO, but until I've used both i really can't make a proper choice.



                    If you have time would you mind posting soundcloud clips of them crush drum samples? Would anyone else here on the forum be interested in hearing that?




                    Any samples I have are usually my own material, and the processing of either device will be layered within the track.



                    Do you have any particular source files that you'd like me to process, just to give more of a context for what you're looking for?
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                    • #11






                      Quote Originally Posted by Sad Darwin
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                      Any samples I have are usually my own material, and the processing of either device will be layered within the track.



                      Do you have any particular source files that you'd like me to process, just to give more of a context for what you're looking for?




                      that'd be awesome! I'll make a clip this week. been crazy busy with the holidays.
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                      • #12






                        Quote Originally Posted by SoundwaveLove
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                        that'd be awesome! I'll make a clip this week. been crazy busy with the holidays.




                        Ditto, I hear you.



                        Happy new year!
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