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    Hi Guys -

    I have a Gretsch New Classic 3 piece shell pack on the way. 12", 16" and 22". I'm looking for a snare to match with it well. I'm kind of going between a Gretsch USA maple or a DW Collectors series maple.

    Or should I be considering something else? I saw a black beauty clone that I liked a lot as well.

    What I'm looking for is a good all around snare that's versatile enough to sit well in a day to day rock/pop setting, but can do jazz, R&B/Funk, country called for. I want something that can be tuned low and fat, but can also be cranked up when needed, but will spend most of it's time in a mid-tuned rang.

    Thoughts?

    -Tom
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  • #2
    Ok, I'll say it first: Ludwig LM-402.

    Supraphonic!

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    • #3
      Hi - I own and play both - and would definitely recommend the Gretsch Maple Snare. Mine is Gretsch US Customs silver sparkle 14x5
      I is the most versatile I have played: Pop, Funk, Rock, Jazz, loud, soft, very sensitive - much better than any supraphonic (one trick pony for loud rock and funk), regards Big D.
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      • #4
        I is the most versatile I have played: Pop, Funk, Rock, Jazz, loud, soft, very sensitive - much better than any supraphonic (one trick pony for loud rock and funk), regards Big D.


        How is the worlds most recorded snare drum (all genres of music) a one trick pony? How is wood louder than metal ? How is wood more sensitive than metal?

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        • #5
          +1 on that. The supraphonic is without a doubt one of THE best snares ever made. Once the pinnacle of sound is reached, you can't improve on it, you can just add a different spice. Who ever said that Jamaican Jerk chicken is better than curried chicken. Still chicken, just different flavors. What makes any one spice better than the other? Just taste.
          What I mean is that if your snare is a 10 out of 10 such as I believe the supra is, some might be different, but none better sounding.
          I believe that a supra would be perfect for jazz, and has been used for decades in just that role. Maybe in a 5x14 configuration, not the 6.5x14, but again the sound you look for will be up to you. Dont listen to those who say that this or that snare is better. I personally wouldn't use a wood snare for jazz, but who the hell am I? NOBODY!!
          I think that you cant go wrong with a supra. IMHO
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          • #6
            Even though I'm a DW guy, in your case, I would get a Gretsch Snare Drum.
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            • #7
              For sure, a Supro would fit the bill. If your looking for something a little different, you might want to investigate a Sonor Delite. I own a 6x14, very flexible, great sounding drum.

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              • #8
                If you can afford it, the solid shell Craviotto is wonderful for just about everything. I use a DW version of it and can't rave about it enough. The ply DW snares are not my favorite. GMS, Yamaha Maple absolute, and an old Premier Signia maple (this is a tremendously unnoticed amazing snare) are all better and more affordable options (IMHO).

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                • #9
                  If you can afford it, the solid shell Craviotto is wonderful for just about everything. I use a DW version of it and can't rave about it enough. The ply DW snares are not my favorite. GMS, Yamaha Maple absolute, and an old Premier Signia maple (this is a tremendously unnoticed amazing snare) are all better and more affordable options (IMHO).




                  I have to plug for Unix, Joshua tree percussion, Oregon drum and Global drum stave shelled snares.

                  Brady is another great choice for $$$

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                  • #10
                    How is the worlds most recorded snare drum (all genres of music) a one trick pony? How is wood louder than metal ? How is wood more sensitive than metal?


                    Personal opinion and experience of 30 years as producer and drummer. I owned 5 or 6 Super Sensitives and Supraphonics (and recorded many more) and they all sound different. In fact EACH snaredrum sounds different - just to many things that make the sound. But for our friend here my advice is very clear: the Gretsch US Maple Custom is the most versatile and good sounding drum I ever came across. I wonder how naive people are in believing slogans like "the worlds most recorded snare drum"? And even if so, what would it mean? That it is good or just cheap enough so that everyone or every studio buys it? I really did not find any mystery and magic in my supraphonics and supra sensitives - at the end I sold them all... just not good enough. And if you aim to sound like "all the people who recorded with the most recorded snare drum in the world" you will definitely not develop your individual sound that differentiates you from others.
                    If you are talking about loudness this comes mainly from your power and the dimension not from the material. But with same dimensions and same power one material is definitely louder: rocket shell carbon snares.
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                    • #11
                      Personal opinion and experience of 30 years as producer and drummer. I owned 5 or 6 Super Sensitives and Supraphonics (and recorded many more) and they all sound different. In fact EACH snaredrum sounds different - just to many things that make the sound. But for our friend here my advice is very clear: the Gretsch US Maple Custom is the most versatile and good sounding drum I ever came across. I wonder how naive people are in believing slogans like "the worlds most recorded snare drum"? And even if so, what would it mean? That it is good or just cheap enough so that everyone or every studio buys it? I really did not find any mystery and magic in my supraphonics and supra sensitives - at the end I sold them all... just not good enough. And if you aim to sound like "all the people who recorded with the most recorded snare drum in the world" you will definitely not develop your individual sound that differentiates you from others.
                      If you are talking about loudness this comes mainly from your power and the dimension not from the material. But with same dimensions and same power one material is definitely louder: rocket shell carbon snares.


                      Thats exactly the response I was hoping you'd give. I asked the questions that were inevitable, because of the supra-hype. I already knew the probable answer.

                      I play rocket CF and fiberglass as well. I like them better than other snares, especially the FG.

                      The supras have a gigantic following... however I have a cast steel snare, an aluminum and a walnut that don't leave me open to temptation any more.

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                      • #12
                        Hi - I own and play both - and would definitely recommend the Gretsch Maple Snare. Mine is Gretsch US Customs silver sparkle 14x5
                        I is the most versatile I have played: Pop, Funk, Rock, Jazz, loud, soft, very sensitive - much better than any supraphonic (one trick pony for loud rock and funk), regards Big D.


                        Do you find that the 5" depth still gives you enough bottom and tuning range?
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                        • #13
                          Do you find that the 5" depth still gives you enough bottom and tuning range?


                          I can vouch that 5" deep carbon fiber, fiberglass or walnut can be made to sound like 8" or 5" deep. Seriously.

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                          • #14
                            Hey big daddy,
                            On one hand you say that each supraphonic and supersensitive is completely different sounding because of all the variables involved with recorded sound. Then in the next paragraph you say "if you want to sound like all those others who have recorded with the supra etc" , you are contradicting yourself by saying that they all sound different and unique yet if you use one , then you will sound like all the others. Make up your mind
                            And another thing, I mentioned before that I thought the supra was A top of the line snare, and that he wouldn't go wrong with one. I didn't say it was the ONLY top of the line snare. Or that any other snare wasn't good or recordable. I said that when you get into the upper end of snares , most all of them sound good. Its just that he wouldn't be dissappointed with a supra.
                            Most people have several snares for a variety of sound. I have 6 or 7 and I am sure you have more. It all boils down to taste. You stated supra's aren't for you and thats cool, but dont say they arent any good for recording as out of the MILLIONS of people who have used at least one on recordings, at least one of them had to be better than you. Thats a big swipe against alot of people.
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                            • #15
                              Hey big daddy,
                              On one hand you say that each supraphonic and supersensitive is completely different sounding because of all the variables involved with recorded sound. Then in the next paragraph you say "if you want to sound like all those others who have recorded with the supra etc" , you are contradicting yourself by saying that they all sound different and unique yet if you use one , then you will sound like all the others. Make up your mind
                              And another thing, I mentioned before that I thought the supra was A top of the line snare, and that he wouldn't go wrong with one. I didn't say it was the ONLY top of the line snare. Or that any other snare wasn't good or recordable. I said that when you get into the upper end of snares , most all of them sound good. Its just that he wouldn't be dissappointed with a supra.
                              Most people have several snares for a variety of sound. I have 6 or 7 and I am sure you have more. It all boils down to taste. You stated supra's aren't for you and thats cool, but dont say they arent any good for recording as out of the MILLIONS of people who have used at least one on recordings, at least one of them had to be better than you. Thats a big swipe against alot of people.


                              Hi, thanks for the reply. It just reflects that snares are such a difficult thing to be discussed. As a producer I found that the snare sound is as important as the vocal sound and the most important sound to support the vocals to create a good energy level for a song in any kind of music - is it blues, jazz, nu metal whatever. So we are producers are even using different snare drums and mic techniques in one song for different parts and accents. But sticking to the original question I would still recommend the Gretsch Maple in the light of that you only have one option in terms of money etc... and gives you more quality and value for your money. And re: depth it depends on what sound you want, if you prefer power than deeper, if you prefer crisp and sensitivity than 5" is good.
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