Pro behavior

Hi this may seem slightly silly but i wanted to see if this happens to others in some way at what people think. I auditioned and got a gig as a drummer for a small festival Had two rehearsals etc, got the material to learn on cd etc.

Showed up a third rehearsal and a new drummer who had replied to an earlier ad showed up..played on a song. I was told that he blew me away and I was replaced. No money was involved no contracts. What happened to loyalty?

Am I naive here???? Yes this guy has a different style but i have a little empty feeling here. Curious about some thoughts of others on this?

cheers

Welcome to the music business.

I'm quite the novice myself, but as they say, always get stuff in writing unless you want it to be changeable. I would try to look at this from the point of view that you're just not meant to be with that particular group... someone else out there will appreciate your musicianship and you'll be a better fit. Also, if you view that behavior as immoral, then at least you are now dissociated with them and have seen their true colors.

Yes I know about the getting it in writing stuff but this was pretty informal. I have had years of experience in music in other bands as well. Odd though no comments during the other rehearsals to lead me to think anything would happen..in fact the comments were all positive. guess its part of the GREAT ROCK AND ROLL SWINDLE. I was not meant to be in it..I can see that. Since we were on a break in rehearsing the second day and he said that his music had an "adult contempory sound". I just looked at him and I thought ..thats not me at all nor is it the bass players style. He was not at the rehearsal yet when this happened to me. He got chastised for playing " too rock and roll like". I wonder what music he is listening to because its not the stuff we were playing. Who knows maybe he got the sack as well and it was friday the 13th. I already have something lined up more closer to my heart later on. I am a rocker and Uk style punk rocker circa 76-79 with dashes of the WHO tossed in and others.

I am not "lounge act" drummer.. Chalk it up to a lesson.

It could have been worse, you could have gotten the gig with this band. And would you really want to work with a band like that?

This stuff happens all the time. Sorry, but when you go in as the 'new guy', you know they must have kissed a lot of frogs to find you...and there may have been another frog on standby.

Lets not forget that there are also a bit of looks involved - if the other drummer was a buff ladykiller and they thought they'd score a bigger audience with him that could've cost you the job or it was just the band chemistry - you weren't "feeling it".

Right now we're working with this bassist that is steady and seems to be learning the stuff but just too slow. The way he plays the songs is in the pocket - no personality, just delivers, I guess. If another guy shows up (we're still auditioning) and delivers a better groove/energy this guy is out the door even if we have to start from ground zero again.

I wouldn't take it too personally if I were you. Rejection always hurts but the other guy was problably no better than you...they just liked him better. And judging from the way they treated you..you lucked out.

There is no business like showbusiness

Buff lady killer looks being a factor...I guess I am not made of plastic...its talent that makes the whole thing go. I have my version of talent with no ego at all. I dislike it when someone says 'my band'...its "the band" Not a big fan of being a support musician for the great 'rock stars" that people think they are. I always thought a band is equal, everyone in it. Fortunate enough to have been with like minded people....I have always thought solos were self serving, pretentious, boring dribble that detract form a band identity and have people on the dance floor standing round. There is a difference between a solo and a slightly a longer break or bridge.

This guy was just different actually kind of glad I didnt gig with these guys but I would have liked it as exposure plus its a chance to play in front of an audience. In retrospect I just would have prefered the old.."Hey its not working out" straight between the eyes no bull{censored} hide behind the screens approach. Its was adult contempory god help me I am free of that.

Hey if anyone is reading this in London England I will be there on feb 15 to Feb 25th 07 staying in Camden Town Hostel. Would love an oppportunity just to sit in, jam etc on drums. Will need a kit or I can hire one there. Justa alittle dream of mine

cheers all thanks for the thoughts.

I have always thought solos were self serving, pretentious, boring dribble that detract form a band identity and have people on the dance floor standing round.

Yeah, drum solos are like that!

I guess this is a drummer's perspective. I for one can't imagine many good songs without the guitar solos in them. Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin - they all had great memorable guitar solos that brought something extra to the songs. Now Nirvana without guitar solos would've been quite allright.

i've been on both sides of this one, man. it's just the business. (a bit of redemption was when the band who ditched me called me back up and tried to have me play for them)

If you had no idea this was coming, they are obviously good at hiding their feelings at best, and great at lying to your face at worst - be glad it was only 2 rehearsals and a weeks work wasted.

I've spent a lot more time than that on people I later learned were lying to me - in and out of music.

You can't get things in writing at that point. You can't assume you have the gig either. You can assume you're in a very vulnerable position and work your butt off to keep the gig.

There is no loyalty until you've earned it.

Everyday you learn something, you will get opportunity but its with mere luck and lots of hardworkings.

good luck for your career:thu:

hello again, good morning ya all.

I guess one moves on. Jus tI guess it would be my background as Theatre Director/actor...You hire people and you work with them. If someone is having torubles you find ways to help them improve, to create to build. Dont sack em or ly to their face that they are ok.

So much of what comes down is verbal contract, that it's a really easy area to abuse. Ripe for weaseling of every kind.

I used to play (here and there) for a bandleader who would invite at least 6 guitarist-lead vocalists to every gig, implying that they'd get paid. Some gigs way out in the sticks. Then, at the show, he'd rotate everybody the first set, giving each "guest" about 3 songs or so. The ones who actually packed the dance floor got paid at the end of the night, and played the majority of the remainder of the gig. The rest got a big insincere thanks and a hard lesson. I hated it, I hated it, I hated it. He was big and verbose and overbearing, and basically got away with it by sheer bluster. He also did a batch of coke with the club manager and head waitress, ensuring that that connection stayed cozy. This guy stayed on top of everyone's toes at all times, by sheer output of promises and threats. He lived on the good graces of his girlfriend, and fooled around at every juncture.

One day I just couldn't stand to deal with him any longer. When people keep their word, and apply their words a little sparingly, I take notice. No more coke-fired wonder people for me.

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