Members WhinyLittleRunt Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 I'm certainly not knocking it - after hearing demos of it it sounds pretty good. But what's the deal with the going prices lately? The build quality for one is just terrible; plastic toy. I see these things selling higher than the 808 and 909! What is it seriously about these things that makes them so desirable and thus, bringing prices to near-rediculous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rpieket Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 Supply and demand. -Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mytee2.0 Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 because of the ACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED cliche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 Originally posted by rpieket Supply and demand.-Ron. ya, but the question was - why is there such demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members idiotboy Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 Right, well, let's assume you want a reason beyond the basic law of supply and demand. I think the primary reason is this: --- many people love "that sound" and are convinced it can only be made by a 303. All the other reasons stem from this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unfed Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 actually for me it's other things like the size of it, the unique programming interface, simple real-time control, etc... same things i love about the MC-202. of course the sound is nice too. sort of related, here's a few simple demos i did of a 303 emulation patch on the G2 created by one of the guys on the E-M forum: 'nord acid 01' 'nord acid 02' 'nord acid 03' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members packrat Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 The sound, which a lot of clones haven't really hit, the aura of acidness about it, and the build quality , far from detracting from it, means that since relatively few were sold back in the day, the remaining working ones are coming up less and less often. Personally, I'm in the process of putting my x0xb0x kit together B> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members suitandtieguy Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 because it's totally amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 There's also a sheep like mentality associated with the tb303, a skilled psychiatrist could possibly explain the whole tb303 phenomenon Supply and demand has something to do with it and the tb303 is capable of producing high quality liquid squelchy bass, but its way over rated in my opinion. I'm not so sure they are over priced, it almost impossible to put a price on rare used musical instruments, i also think the tb303 played a fairly important role in music ( wether we all think acid is crap, or not ) and it always was a clever designed product. I first used a tb303 when no one wanted or loved them, they'd sync tightly to a tr606, sh101 or mc202. The tb303 was a poor seller for roland, you couldn't give them away at one stage. Due to several music scenes, instruments like the tb303 got hyped up to almost ridiculous proportions, same for the 909 and 808 drum machines and this is where the sheep mentality of certain music generes comes into play. This is a real shame because the tb303, 808 and 909 can be used for much more than acid and dance music. Having said all that, i freaking hate the 909 drum machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Analog Kid Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 303 price is hyped based. It's the Gucci purse of the synth world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members stikygum Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 Originally posted by Musique The tb303 was a poor seller for roland, you couldn't give them away at one stage. And mainly due to this, everyone now loves to hypothesize about other hidden treasure synths that don't sell well in todays day and age. Hypocrite? Why thanks you! We all do this whether it be to ourselves in our minds or on the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 There are many hidden gems around, both modern and forgotten and people will continue to romance and hype particular bits of gear. I see the jd800 mentioned alot on this forum. It offers lots of control but nothing that special or unique about its sound. Thats the fickel nature associated with hype, i suppose. There are signs that prices are rising for synths like the jx10 which have been over looked and under valued for years, especially with the pg800. This is a synth that deserves much more credit than it gets, even with its slow envelopes. The warmth and quality of the jx10 sound could and probably should command twice their current prices. I'd be very surprised if analog fans couldn't appreciate the quality of the jx10 sound, its understandable many will desire and hype the jupiter 6 and 8, but the jx10 is a very capable analog synth. Ebay's been good and bad for synths, adding to the hype, other times its a great place to find a forgotten gem. When everyone else is bidding on hyped synths, its possible to snipe a genuine classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Meatball Fulton Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 Why? Because it's really weird Nobody uses it for it's intended purpose which was to sequence bass lines in synch with a drum machine for home recording. What people now do with it is loop a pattern (ANY pattern will do, I've heard of people yanking out the batteries to scramble the memory, it's hard to program it properly anyway) then twisting the knobs as it plays. As you probably know it's stupid simple as a synth...single oscillator, no LFO, a filter EG with ONLY a decay parameter and no envelope at all for the amp stage. You can mimic the basic sound with almost anything However the way the synth interacts with the sequencer especially the "slide" (portamento) and "accent" (a retarded two-level velocity control) is what makes the acid sound. Slide and accent just right and the filter is modulated in a bizarre way that is hard to reproduce but launched an entire genre of dance music. And that's why they sell for about 5 times what they are really worth. I took my $1000 and spent it on a modular instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lyricpoet Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 MC-303 vs. TB-303 Diff.? I just sold my MC-303... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members electrobaby Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 Originally posted by Meatball Fulton I took my $1000 and spent it on a modular instead amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sinner6 Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 I dunno about the 303, but the FR-777 was worth every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Analog Kid Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 probably was... on the other hand i have a few complaints about my Revolution. I have a stupid number of virtual 303's, but the AudioBassLine pro is really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sinner6 Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 Yeah, I love future retro, but the Revolution didn't excite me. Just out of curiosity, what issues do you have? I know the FX section is super limited and you only get 1 osc (like the 303). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 I love the sound of the 303. I love acid, and I love what the more creative people can do with the 303 that isn't quite the classic 303/acid sound. I personally would never want to own one, even at their original price (which I believe was around $250-300 or something like that.) I hate the interface, the build is cheap silver plastic (which I hate,) it's ugly, etc. The X0XBox and Audio Realism Bassline seem to be the most faithful replication of the sound, and with the possibility of a much better interface, as well. (that's right, I'd rather use the Bassline plugin than the real 303) The Future Retro Revolution sounds pretty close as well, but it does a bit more than the 303 too. Anyway, something with a modern interface, made out of metal, with the same sound would be nearly worth the price of a 303 for me. I find that Bassline gets the job done exceedingly well at 1/15 the cost though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Analog Kid Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 ok, my only problem is with the amp when you feed a signal into the external input. The problem is that your signal is only present when the internal synth is note on. So, you can, for instance, be controlling a synth from it's CV out, and that works fine, unless you need a release parameter. But, if you do need want to process an external signal that has a release tail (perhaps using the cv in for your envelope) you have to basically set up sequence where you have a long whole note repeating endlessly. So, in my case, if i want to process external audio, it makes the entirety of the units sequencer completely and utterlly useless. I released the design was deliberately limited, being basically a 303 clone, but I thought i could use the internal sequencer to control an external source and and have the advantage of the 18db Roland clone filter. It really is a cool filter especially with the accent feature, but I wish i could somehow have the external input modded so that it doesnt gate off. That is my only issue with the box, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sinner6 Posted June 16, 2006 Members Share Posted June 16, 2006 Same issue exists with the 777. The Audio input is not into the amp, but rather to the filter and can be used to modulate the filter. Unfortuantely, most folks would rather do it the other way around and have the filter modulate the input rather than vice versa.I just use the Evolver for what your talking about, though the filter is nowhere near as wild as the 777's crazy ass 7-pole filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bruto Posted June 17, 2006 Members Share Posted June 17, 2006 Just a few year ago, TB303s were common gear in clubs. It seems that now though, with the price of working units over a grand, most of them are used for recording. The acid / trance crowd really loves them and generally won't use 303 emulators. Here's a good link on the TB303 I read recently of a guy finding one in the toy section of a second hand store. He paid $15 for it, and it worked perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted June 19, 2006 Members Share Posted June 19, 2006 The sound has not been replicated imho. Same with the 909 and 808. There are just too good to use live too - very inspiring, especially the 303 through a guitar multi-fx. Here's Josh Wink's "Higher State Of Consciousness" - I knew the track but never saw the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTiyIiLaSsM&search=acid%20house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Unfed Posted June 19, 2006 Members Share Posted June 19, 2006 that's the thing... 'higher state...' (and the track that came out around the same time that sounds exactly like it) was done with an SH-101. there's several acts on that page that are stated as having used the 303, but i've never seen it. Autechre? doubt it. Alec Empire? definitely not. not really sure about Josh Wink (don't know much about him), but you can tell 'higher state...' is a 101 just by the sound of it. it never gets that 303 squelch, though it (and especially the 202) can come close with an overdrive or fuzz pedal. EDIT: just watched that video. there's another version which shows his red SH-101 with time-lapsed moving faders. and yeah, listening to it again, i always hated that hi-res 'tweet' from the 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paolo Di Nicolantonio Posted June 19, 2006 Members Share Posted June 19, 2006 Well, the "squelch" on the 303 is given when you program the "Accent" set at high volume in a pattern. Maybe in "higher state" he didn't use accent? At any rate, it could be a 101 or 202 too. They sound similar and are from the same era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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