How Low is the V-Synth Gonna Go?

Ive seen a couple No-resever V-Synths sell for

Crap! I bought one on stupid impulse for $1200 a few weeks ago and really need to sell it. I don't wanna lose money...

dont get me wrong, but dont you think it's the loss of money, not the unit itself to make you call it crap? or do i need to take some english lessons?

You dont like it XorAxAx? What dont you like about it?

Check the completed auctions, BIN V-Synths still sell for ~$1100. But after seeing a hand full sell for well below that, Im waiting to see when the bottom out.

Is there a reason the price is in a tail-spin?

I recall something about it being discontinued? Did that turn out to be true?

I think it's quite a desirable synth ...

Or are all hardware synths falling in price?

Except for maybe the most hardcore live player's boards

...

The V-Synth doesn't really seem to fall in that category since it's not designed to do piano or the traditional sounds (piano, organ) one would expect in a solo or group situation.

it's like the Korg Z-1 all over again- an awesome and unique synth that wasn't really a big seller and nosedived in price and discontinued- then it becomes a timesless classic- synths that are loved by all us tweakers and electronic musicians- but not too big with the session players and studios who represent the majority of the keyboard market- the v-synth- like the Z-1- doen't really have a great selection of pianos and organs after all

when the v-synth was first released many thought it would turn out this way- it had 'underappreciated classic" written all over it from day one- too bad for Roland but it's great for the rest of us!

Hell yeah SetAI:) Ive got them on my favorite watched list - I think some of it may be V-Synth users dumping them for the V-Synth XT. You're right on comparing it to the Z1...its got that same quirky esoteric vibe to it.

Funny - and Im not knocking great VA's like the Virus or Nord because I think they're great - but because the general consensus is "you need a Virus for trance", etc, you'll see a Z1 going for the price of a Virus1 rack when it can do SO much more.

Originally posted by rasp dont get me wrong, but dont you think it's the loss of money, not the unit itself to make you call it crap? or do i need to take some english lessons?

I meant "crap" as an interjection. Like "oh no" or "ouch".

It's a great board, even though I've spent little time with it yet.

I'm getting married in a month, need to pay the jeweler, lawyer, etc. I should have stuck with my original two-board plan.

EDIT: GAS, credit card, and a final premarital spark of irresponsibility. I've been baaaad.

EDIT 2: I need a thread for this.

I agree, I sold my VSynth recently because I could feel that its s/h price would drop. I will get another VSynth type of keyboard if Roland release a new more powerful keyboard with the facilities though...

Not holding my breath...

I also agree about the comparison to the Z1. Those two keyboards are the only real advances from the big synth companies in decades...

I played my Z1 last night in a prog band and was amazed at how great its string pad sounds are when played in the band context... We played Steve Hacketts "Spectral Mornings" and the Z1 just fitted right in...

This is good news. I have severe gas attacks for one of these but the cash issue has held me back. Maybe I'll have to get myself a Christmas present this year. If they stay under 800 (or go any lower than that ) then someone is snagging one.

Check the CompletedAuctions on Ebay, one went last week for like $780. Be carefull because there's been a few V-Synth XT scams, but those are easy to spot.

Lol bro I hear ya Im getting married next year. I originally planned on not buying anything until after the wedding but...well GAS is as GAS does.

I was messing around on the Z1 last night, noticed the same thing...excellent string sounds, very expressive and lifelike in a cool, surreal way.

Im waiting to pick one up for ~$600...we just need to start a bunch of "V-Synth sucks" threads all over the internet, and it WILL happen:) lol...freakin' internet:)

It's amazing y'know... I have read countless times from people that the strings and sax sounds in the Z1 are terrible but to me they are incredible.

I love the Cellos and especially the Zee One Violin sound... is that in the presets? I also love the Soprano Sax sound. I wasnt too impressed with the trumpets (too 1940s for me) but then I manegd to create a wicked ECM stylee Kenny Wheeler flugelhorn patch...

I was playing John Abercrombies "Timeless" in the band last night and used the Z1 Warm Strings patch to do the low drones... added some nice filter sweeps in there too...

Z1 is the keyboard for the jazz/fusion/soloist player. Haven't come across anything better yet....

I wish it was easier to edit though... the LFO stuff is hidden away in the menus...

The rumor is something big to do with the vsynth is comming at winter NAMM (from a source inside Roland in the know). Don't know if it's a new card or a new vsynth itself.

VC-2 has already been discontinued so my guess is it might be a new vsynth.

I agree with this too. Also reminds me of the Kawai K5000, which could fit the above description perfectly. A number of others could fall into that category as well:

Yamaha FS1R

Emu Morpheus

Ensoniq Fizmo

...etc.

Aahhhhhhh.... Sorry:wave:

Thanks for that Umbra. I reckon some kind of hybrid of the Fantom and VSYnth might be interesting... especially if they sort out the problems I had with the VSynth...

Lets see what they do...

What kind of problems did you have with the V-Synth Orangefunk?

If Roland comes out with an all-new V-Synth, I bet used prices on current models will drop considerably.

I think this is going to be the same problem with any synth that is a true synth vs. a preset workstation. There just isn't enough of a market for a high selling product unless it has some workstation like features and a killer set of presets. The vsynths presets stunk so bad with the first version of the OS that it really had a mountain to climb, but if your a programming junkie it is a great synth to have.

I bought mine new about 2 years ago for $1600 so I think the retail price has been pretty inflated by stores as well. My guess is in 5 years roland will have an improved varios engine and the current v-synth will be worth only a little more than a vp9000 is today. Heck with the varios it's hard to even give the thing away much less get anything for it on ebay.

Maybe you'll both end up with wives like mine. Mine bought me a Miniwave module for my modular, expansion ROMs, etc. for my birthday this year. She researched it, talked to some of my friends, decided what sounded the coolest out of the suggestions, and got them for me.

I see a lot of VariOSeses selling for $6-800 on ebay. That's not exactly giving them away. I've only seen a couple go for less than 6.

I'd love a VC-3, but one does get the suspicion that Roland has already wiped their hands of the first generation of R-Core. V2 will likely require all new hardware, but, here's hoping they can toss us one or two more V cards. The first was mind boggling, the second was OK, I'd get so much more use out of mine if they simply let you apply all those FX in there on the dry signal!

I mean, how often do i really need to sound like Shirly Temple or a barbershop quartet.

Roland, here's a hint- VC-3 and 4

One should be a groove box suite with TR type drum synthesis. I wont say add the 303 emulation too, but i suspect there's a huge waste of DSP when your running VariOS-303, they could probably have that and the 909/808 emulations running with a nice pattern sequencer/Arranger/RPS type enviornment. If they included the Arp from the V-Synth, V users might feel more at home.

The other suite should simply be an FX unit for external sounds... just give us the full DSP of the R-Core machines with all the FX algies Roland's ever coded in as modular an enviornment as you can get with stereo in/out.

C'mon, how hard would that be?

Anyways, I guess I wouldn't mind a V-Synth, but I'd have to shelf my SY-77 to make room. Pehaps the V2 will be more than hype and tempt me into buying another Roland Flagship. Sometimes Roland stuff is good enough to buy new on rare occasions. So far out of all my Roland's I've only paid full price for the VS-1680,SP-505 and TD-20.

Q: Why is the price dropping?

A: It's a Roland!

I found it underpowered... the polyphony was supposed to be 24 voices but in actual use, the patches I used were more like 4 or 5 notes.

The sample editing functions weren't too great either. No crossfade. Also you could spend ages getting a loop correct without clicks.. then put it into a patch and the clicks were back. ROland gave a tip for getting around this.. but I never got that working most of the time.

Memory was only something like 20MB for sample data. But there was some weird memory management scheme I never fully understood.

Finally, there was no supprt for importing WAVs with their loop points intact. VSYnth seemed to just ignore them...

If they fixed all the above then it would trully be killer....

The VariOS seem to go for around

oh gawd... I guess I bought it for a different reason