Members Enigmatic Posted January 21, 2007 Members Share Posted January 21, 2007 Does anyone here own or use Arranger keyboard? I own a Motif workstation, and I really love this thing, but when it comes to programming the drum parts, i just lose the inspiration to create or compose songs. It seems in the Motifator forums, some folks are mad because the Tyros 2 does much more than the Motif XS does......and is much easier to compose songs with the Tyros. I was eyeing the Korg M3, but if it is only for the durms, I think i would be better off with a good arranger. What do you guys suggest? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khazul Posted January 21, 2007 Members Share Posted January 21, 2007 A drum machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Enigmatic Posted January 21, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2007 A drum machine Yup. it really helps, but too bad it doesn't come with a multitrack sequencer. I am planning on getting the Boss DR. 880. I own the DR 770, but it too difficult to sequence, but its really fun to jam or practice. How do you guys work on your drum skills? I have seen some videos on youtube. very impressive Some Must comeout with a "finger drummer" instuctional video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqhjfK2q_q4 And Last but not least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khazul Posted January 21, 2007 Members Share Posted January 21, 2007 How do you guys work on your drum skills? By beating the hell out of one of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Enigmatic Posted January 21, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2007 AKAI MPC series? By beating the hell out of one of these if i was a drummer i would have gotten a real drum kit instead.. But thanks for your advice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Allerian Posted January 21, 2007 Members Share Posted January 21, 2007 Machinedrum + Monomachine = Arrangement bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mook Posted January 21, 2007 Members Share Posted January 21, 2007 if i was a drummer i would have gotten a real drum kit instead.. But thanks for your advice... You haven't got close neighbours then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pilot Posted January 21, 2007 Members Share Posted January 21, 2007 I use an arranger keyboard, a Yamaha PSR740. It's getting a bit long in the tooth now, but it still does more than a lot of workstations, with five DSPs, 45 basic effects per DSP with up to 16 parameters per effect, multitimbrality with the ability to layer up to 18 voices and 70 parameters per voice, etc. Plus I get 761 voices and 100 styles with the ability to create custom styles. Any of the later high end PSRs (2000, 2100, 3000, Tyros etc.) will do all this and more. Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Enigmatic Posted January 21, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2007 I use an arranger keyboard, a Yamaha PSR740. It's getting a bit long in the tooth now, but it still does more than a lot of workstations, with five DSPs, 45 basic effects per DSP with up to 16 parameters per effect, multitimbrality with the ability to layer up to 18 voices and 70 parameters per voice, etc. Plus I get 761 voices and 100 styles with the ability to create custom styles. Any of the later high end PSRs (2000, 2100, 3000, Tyros etc.) will do all this and more. Bryan I had an old PSR295. It really helps to come up with ideas with arrangers...and makes practice/jamming more fun. Too bad i sold that thing after i got my motif. I may now get the PSR 3000 or the PSR 1500. These are fun machines....no doubt. There is quite a bit of difference between the Tyros2 and PSR3000, but i am not sure whether Tryos can justify the price difference... Check out the specs: Tyros 2 - Specs PSR 3000 - specs PSR 1500 - specs the Tyros is way out of my budget, but I am seriously thinking of getting the PSR 1500. I dont really see much difference between the PSR1500 and PSR3000 Specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Pro Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 I have two Yamaha 9000 Pros arrangers, each expanded with PLG cards to 206 notes of polyphony. I use them live and in the studio as arrangers, SMF players and XM/GM production stations in conjunction with my computers and softsynth. They are very powerful tools and have helped me a great deal with composing and performing. IMHO, Yamaha has yet to better them. The Tyros series doesn't compare but they do have their own positive aspects. As to programming and composing, modern arrangers in general can realize music instantly that would take hours with any combination of drum machines and synths. I think most people know that but hate to admit it because of a stigma that exists with arrangers. While they can produce some very mechanical and/or cliche' music, they can also be used to rough frame a song into a sequencer where it can be fully developed in a very intuitive manner. Where sequencing can be tedious, arrangers are much spontaneous and fun. Besides the Tyros 1/2 there are others like the Korg PA1x, the Roland G70 and many more to choose from. One area where arrangers are freely discussed is the Synth Zone Arranger Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhat Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 Does anyone here own or use Arranger keyboard? NO we always used colt 45 malt liqure ,,, i did sit mine on my keyboard though .... worked for us lol. rat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members venkiee Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 Enigmatic, If you use PC, better to have software like Fruityloops where you can create your own drum beats... Else, Better to go with Arranger workstations from Roland, Korg and Yamaha...For the price range, I heard that Korg PA series does a decent job.... From KORGhttp://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=PA1X&category_id=1http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=PA50&category_id=1 From ROLANDhttp://www.rolandus.com/products/productlist.aspx?ParentId=18 IMHO, Tyros are damn expensive than Motif's.... --------- Dont even buy the AKAI things if you are not a versatile drum programmer...not worth of money for people who dont know drum programming...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 If you have a Windows PC, another alternative would be Band-in-a-Box 2007:http://www.pgmusic.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swardle Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 You can also use arrangers for practicing things like songs, chord progressions, turnarounds. I really like like BIAB for this purpose. It all depends on what your goals and needs are. IF you want to get serious with songwriting, performing, and composing, nothing beats transcrbing and learning from the greats. If sitting at home in your basement, twisting knobs, making noise and posting pics of your 'arsenal' on the internet, as you can see, you would be in good company here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Enigmatic Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 Guys...thanks a lot for the help. i have been out of touch from the music scene for a while. i want to pick it back up.....but small things like these prevent me from making music. Most of the drummers i know could use a little help from these machines as well (that is if their big egos dont get in the way) I have nothing against arranger keybaords...they are a great tool to learn....im not sure why there would be any stigma attached to them... I dont get it why tyros is more expensive than motif....i dont need the sound engine of the arranger...I prefer to use the motif for playing. i have seen some demo videos of tryos on youtube. it must be a lot easier to sequence with tyros than it is with the motif. I know there is quite a bit of learning curve when it comes to sequencing drums, but once you are used to it....it shouldnt be hard it at all.. Anyways...guys thanks a lot. it seems korg arrangers are great too. I will look into the softwares mentioned as well. I guess my plan for Korg M3 will have to wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted January 22, 2007 Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 I dont get it why tyros is more expensive than motif More expensive hardware components inside. The same is true for Korg and Roland arrangers (61/76 key arrangers being more expensive than their 61/76 key workstation counterparts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Enigmatic Posted January 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 22, 2007 More expensive hardware components inside. The same is true for Korg and Roland arrangers (61/76 key arrangers being more expensive than their 61/76 key workstation counterparts). why would the arranger need better hardware.....isn't the workstation capable of doing more in the long run? As far as i know, with arrangers, you are somewhat limited to what the machine has to offer, but with workstations, you can be more creative.....even though there is quite a bit of learning curve involved. Are there any differences between the sequencer of an arranger and a workstation? I think all the workstaions should have an AI based sequencer for the drum parts...rather than painfully cutting and slicing midi loops, you can just press bunch of fill-in/variation buttons and record a kick ass drum sequence.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members seadoogsx1996 Posted August 6, 2008 Members Share Posted August 6, 2008 I own Roland G-800. IT's arranger workstation. IT has lot of functions, I can see new keyboard in the market right now offer. It's allow owner create their own STYLE as intro, variations, ending, drum fills or whatever between using sequencer. I did sequencer some songs to play as one-man-band and lot of friends like it because it sound like about that specific original song. Also, I can save my own style in disk. Whenever needed I just pop it in as user style and play. I'm wonder if Tyros2 has Sequencer so I can CREATE MY OWN STYLE ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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