Members Meatball Fulton Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Yamaha has posted the compatibility list for their software running under Vista and the unsupported list includes all the editors for the PLG boards, the TWE sample editor and a few older drivers. It should be interesting to see how much software gets sidelined by Vista...what the heck did they do that something as simple as a patch editor won't work any more even though it ran under everything from Win95 to XP. Hope you softsynth guys have your seat belts on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Umbra Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 So how is this different from any other OS upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 I was just going to post about this. Vista's here - which manufacturers are going to be ready, willing, and able. What's different about this new OS is a few things. XP has been out for over 5 years. Softsynths have only been around for about 10 years, and really took off in the last 5 years, so most of them have been written to run on XP. It's my limited understanding that there's a lot of re-writing that needs to happen for any of these to work under Vista. A lot of software developers would rather work on something new to be sold as a new product than invest great amounts of time on something that will only be an update to an existing product. Also, I think there's a lot of things in Vista that call for some type of 'certification' in order to run. I don't know {censored} about this, so hopefully others will post with some info. Anyways, I think that almost everything in the software realm is going to be in for a bit of a rocky ride for a while - I hope I don't lose functionality of too much of my current stuff when I come due for a new computer (which will happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mook Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Don't upgrade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tony Scharf Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 ...what the heck did they do that something as simple as a patch editor won't work any more even though it ran under everything from Win95 to XP. with Vista, Microsoft is significantly changing the way software runs on windows. Its going to cause a LOT of problems, not just for musicians. I have gotten notifications from lots of software vendors telling me their software will not work with vista. I am strongly reccomending NOT to adopt Vista until all your core software is compatible, and even then, keep an XP box around, because somethings just wont ever make the switch (music software, particularly). incidentally, I heard that the dramatic changes in DirectX were one of steinbergs reasons for dropping DXi support in Cubase 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Don't upgrade... ha ha. People say that about every new OS. At some point you come due for a new computer. In the meantime, while you stay with your current OS, everything else moves on. I doubt there's too many diehards left working exclusively with DOS or 3.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Real MC Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Do not upgrade to Vista. Read here Vista is Hollywood-centric. You have to permanently disable any S/PDIF ports before you can play/record any audio. The OS goes to great lengths on graphics cards and monitors compliance before it will play back video - you will no longer be able to play HD video without DVI or HDCP. Most graphics cards on the market don't even support the current HDCP, ATI was hit with a class action lawsuit when their cards failed to perform as advertised - they changed the HDCP protocol and it rendered the cards useless. Hardware vendors are not going to be happy trying to hit a moving target. In short, this OS is going to be a royal PITA. There will be a big fallout from software and hardware vendors of M$ on this BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mook Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 ha ha. People say that about every new OS. At some point you come due for a new computer. In the meantime, while you stay with your current OS, everything else moves on. I doubt there's too many diehards left working exclusively with DOS or 3.1 So they may. Give me a good reason to upgrade, other than to line Gill Bates pockets... Plenty of people still use Atari's for midi sequencing, and I don't see that Vista will offer the musician anything new, unless you can hear the difference that a 64bit engine makes. There seems to be a push for VST developers to port to Linux, and then there is always a Mac. You can upgrade if you want something new like Aero, just because it is new, but unless it offers me something extra that XP doesn't I can't see the point. I think people can get too caught up with the need for new, the need to update... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members flat earth Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Out of interest, my job as a PC engineer puts me in touch with 1000s of clients, and to be honest, not one of them has shown any interest in Vista. The common thought is: 'lets wait a year until all the bugs have been ironed out'. The sad thing is, this is a very valid point. We installed it on a E6600 Core duo system, and i can tell you, absolute knightmare. Drivers? Where? We put XP back on. I have no confidence selling it to anybody at the moment. As i know its going to be a complete headache.....for me. Im sure, give it half a year and it will be a viable upgrade to XP, but now? I dont think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mook Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 zzzzz get a mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members valdiorn Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Yes, by all means get a mac, because we all remember how easy it was to port all the OS9 software to OSX ... right... huh...??? *(sarcasm ends...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mook Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/29/windows_vista_still_not_ready/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yoozer Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Do not upgrade to Vista. Read here Lots of the claims in this are actually pretty overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Awake77 Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 I think Vista will be a good OS,in time, just like XP is now. Im planning to upgrade to XP 64, but Ill be waiting a good year or more before any of my machines see Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lancaster Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Yes, by all means get a mac, because we all remember how easy it was to port all the OS9 software to OSX ... right... huh...??? *(sarcasm ends...) Plus the ongoing cluster{censored} with UB . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jez Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 I'm sure given a year or so everything will eventually have been sorted out. I personally wouldn't upgrade because the next computer I buy will be a Mac anyway, and I can get by perfectly fine with the currently available "ancient {censored}" And mildbill, 3.1 is teh r0xx0r! And I'll not hear a word said against it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Meatball Fulton Posted January 30, 2007 Author Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Lots of the claims in this are actually pretty overblown. It he claims about disabling SPDIF and ASIO are true I wouldn't call it overblown. How is the OS going to differentiate between your content (which needs no protection) and that from the movie studios and record labels....guess what it can't!!! This is a hot button for me... We've already been through this crap with SCMS (built into all MiniDisc hardware as well as all "consumer" CD recorders) which computers were not required to implement because at the time they were not regarded legally as audio recording devices. That of course was a big slip-up on the part of the content providers who pushed SCMS so hard that it essentially killed the consumer digital audio hardware market in the USA. They made sure copying DVDs on computers like CDs would be as difficult as possible and I don't see them changing their stance with future digital formats. In fact the content providers continue to hold off on digital delivery waiting for all this protection to be in place. Meanwhile as creators of digital audio content we get caught in the crossfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mook Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Windows Vista is "dramatically more secure than any other operating system released", Microsoft founder Bill Gates has told BBC News. Mr Gates said the security features in the new operating system were reason enough to upgrade from Windows XP. So shrill gates - can we have our money back on the last os you sold us which you now admit is crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mildbill Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/29/windows_vista_still_not_ready/ Well, I just ran the 'Vista update advisor' shown in that article. Under drivers, some of the problem devices include: Virus TI, Clavia G2, Syncrosoft (dongle for cubase), some in-built Sony stuff, and some MOTU stuff i forgot i had loaded in. Nothing listed about softsynths, but it did list some programs (one from microsoft) that it said Vista would have problems with. oh ya - I guess my Aardvark soundcard may never work with Vista, but I sort of expected that. The company's been out of business for a few years now. I have no need or desire to upgrade an OS, but I'm realistic enough to know that at some point, if I want a new computer, I'll probably be stuck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mook Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 The checker may not be smart enough for all the various VST dll's out there. You're right though, if you by a newer PC at some point you'll probably be stuck with it. Like I say though, there is Mac and there is Linux. I've tried a few Linux distro's recently and not one of them was compatible with all the hardware on the three machines I tested (mainly video and network card problems). There is some audio software available including Ext2, and a bit of a push for VST porting. Hopefully a bit more progress will be made in that direction over the next year or so... I don't mind technological progress, but I can't see the jump that Vista gives over XP, as XP did over 9x or 9x over 3.x or 3.x over DOS. In the meantime, I've got XP and SX3 - neither of which will get updates. I can do all the audio work I need to do on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Just WAIT.It is never a good idea to jump into the newest sh*t out there. And BTW, add Digidesign's Pro Tools and some M-Audio's hardware to the not-yet-compatible list. Maybe by March it all will be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SynthLord Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 Here's a post from another forum that I found interesting. That doesn't fix some incompatibility or immature/nonexistent hardware drivers, but it's a bit reassuring in the DRM department: So, I *was* a Microsoft employee in IT until 11 days ago, so you might say I am biased. On the other hand, I was made redundant, so I've got no real reason to be "loyal" to my former employer anymore. So keep that in mind when you judge my postI've been playing around with Vista since Beta 2 and frankly, I liked it from the start. Even though I know XP in and out and had no problems with it at least since SP2, it felt... well.. old. 5 years old. Just think what 5 years mean in the computer/software industry. Playing with Vista had a fresh feeling, it had a different look, it was just a new experience. And the best, I could have that experience while still using a lot of my usual software.Of course Beta2 wasn't really something you could use every day, but I was using Vista more and more the higher the build number became. And finally with RC2 I couldn't wait until the RTM was in my reach. Which was at the end of November and I am using Vista Ultimate since then and don't have any other OS installed. You can see my rig in my signature, I just wanted the lastest OS for that, just like Kyle. Must be something male. Something genetic. You know, hunters and all that... hehe.There were exactly two driver problems. My Pinnaclesys PCTV 400e USB has no Vista driver and the support of that company frankly just sucks, they told me in mid December, that Vista is still in beta and there was no final or gold date yet... remember, they said that to a Microsoft employee. Anyway, I found a good solution, installing the PCTV 400e on my Win2k3 fileserver and stream the whole thing using DVBViewer (fantastic program for DVB-S and DVB-T and only 15 Euros btw.) The second problem was and is my Nvidia 7950GX2. Sure, it runs and I can play games and most importantly WoW, but it only runs on one of it's feet, so to speak... no SLI, not even with the lastest 100.54.None of the problems I had were the fault of Vista. And everything else of my experience was just great. But I'm sure you heard about the bad DRM and how Vista makes ripping and encoding impossible and all that. Well, let me tell you, it's just not true. As simple as that. I've been ripping DVDs, I've been encoding mp3s, I watched my DivX/Xvid/mpeg movies, used Emule and BitTorrent etc. etc. and Vista didn't care. What Vista has is support for protected HD content and quite frankly, you either watch that stuff on your standalone player and HDTV (which both have to support the protection as well), OR you watch it on Vista. Yes, this is one of the points where you can hear the penguin people cry. It's either "bad" DRM in Linux, too, or no HD content without doing something illegal. Don't know about Macs, but I think Apple will do nothing different to Microsoft here. It's either in or out.Overall, I enjoy my new system, I like the fast bootup time, the better security, the better usage of RAM (superfetch), the "free" apps which Kyle mentioned. And don't forget, Vista is basically just out now. Just think of how you thought about that "crap and annoyingly colourful XP" when it came out in 2001. Compared to that, Vista is lightyears ahead already. And I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members J3RK Posted January 30, 2007 Members Share Posted January 30, 2007 I just placed an order for the Ultimate Edition for my gaming box (which also does a fair bit of audio duty for me,) so I'll make a post when I get it all situated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.