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I miss the days of high school, when I sat in my room with a 4-track casette recorder and some crappy thrift store instruments. I made more GOOD music back then than I do these days, with a somewhat decent home studio (well decent to me, compared to some of you guys I might as well be dumpster diving for food).

 

My point is that I am becoming more and more fixated on gear and sound quality and other {censored} that doesn't REALLY matter... I just want to start recording more tunes. I am thinking about getting a digital multi-track like a Korg or a Roland (hey IM not a fanboy) but my main question is this: If I am recording a track that involves midi sequences and I want to go back over and re-record something else that I want to be synchronized, is that possible?

 

I basically want to re-re-re-re-re-record but not have to worry about my stuff being off-sync. Do any digital recorders have any sort of a midi clock function that syncs up everything nicely?

 

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I miss the days of high school, when I sat in my room with a 4-track casette recorder and some crappy thrift store instruments. I made more GOOD music back then than I do these days, with a somewhat decent home studio

 

 

 

hear ya load and clear....this was my feeling a few years ago too which is why I scaled way back on gear....and will keep it that way...the only thing I continue to buy is a module once in a while for my eurorack modular.

 

The only thing I gas for now is time like I had years ago.

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"The only thing I gas for now is time like I had years ago."

 

damn straight. i still use tape recorders and other stuff, but I agree it seems as i've gotten older I keep trying to get back to some sort of lost innocence where nothing mattered except for making some sort of noise.

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You know you're too far gone into the digital age when something like this happens to you:

 

Last year I finally got my old Wurly fixed, to the tune of $500. Couldn't wait to get it home. Plugged it in. Played a chord. Boy, was I shocked! I was so disappointed that it didn't sound like my Wurly samples, I almost cried.

 

Back in high school, when the Wurly was new, I was so focused on the music. Now it's gear and technique, I'm sad to say. MetroSonus, I feel your pain.

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I made more GOOD music back then than I do these days

Then get off this forum and go make music....duh.... if you want to make music you should be here. Unfortunately it's the truth.

 

 

There are no retarded questions, only retarded people.

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Skunk3, sync in most envs is pretty good now, but the occasional nudge or crop shouldn't be a productivity killer. Just look for something immediate, with sufficient I/O and good sound quality. All of those criteria can be met according to budget.

 

 

Fretting over gear has never stopped me from making music - only my own ambitions, broadened range of options to effect those ambitions, and subsequent paralysis in the face of them. Without some underlying rigor, everything turns into a bowdlerized page from _Fear and Trembling_.

 

That said, I do crave simplicity and am forever on the lookout for "the final [whatever]", and have been fortunate to get those, after some time. I've long had this vision of my studio, reduced to the Elektrons, some form of analogue-ish poly, and some decent effects. I've only just realized that ambition while clearing out a lot of the kipple in my studio and head, for lack of a better way of describing it.

 

I don't need any more gear; I could use some compositional chops, jamming partners and a producer, though.

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Then get off this forum and go make music....duh.... if you want to make music you should be here. Unfortunately it's the truth.



There are no retarded questions, only retarded people.

 

 

With that sort of mindset, this forum wouldn't exist and the world would be filled with so much amazing music that war would be a long-forgotten concept.

 

It wasn't a retarded question. Get off your high horse, brother.

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", and have been fortunate to get those, after some time. I've long had this vision of my studio, reduced to the Elektrons, some form of analogue-ish poly, and some decent effects. I've only just realized that ambition while clearing out a lot of the kipple in my studio and head, for lack of a better way of describing it.


I don't need any more gear; I could use some compositional chops, jamming partners and a producer, though.

 

 

I am sure that many can relate to me when I say that sometimes it's easy to get stuck on getting the "best" and newest gear and sound quality rather than saying screw it and recording something and not worrying about the details. I can barely even sequence out a couple drum loops in FL Studio before I start adding efx, EQ, compression, etc... too focused on DETAILS!

 

I think I am going to buy a decent used digital multi-track and get back to jamming. I don't even care if the music sucks, at least it will be fun. Messing with computers is supposed to help productivity, but for me it kills it.

 

p.s. I wished I lived nearer to Chicago!!

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I can barely even sequence out a couple drum loops in FL Studio before I start adding efx, EQ, compression, etc... too focused on DETAILS!

 

 

In my own experience, those are usually just ways to delay the inevitable collision with one's own limitations. I hope that's not the same for all, but I know I'm not alone in this, either.

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Discipline yourself to stick to one stage of production at a time. Just work on the immediacy and structure, get it out like you want it, then start fretting over mixing, eq, compression, etc.

 

Limitation is the mother of invention...the problem with software is you have almost infinite possibilities and features out the yazoo that it's easy to get distracted.

 

A friend of mine has one of the Korg D1600 multitrackers. Good effects and

decent EQs with sweepable mids for each channel. Sizeable monochromatic LCD screen (I hate all the color screens now...makes me feel like I'm using a PC). We slaved it to my MC909 via midi, worked great.

 

I'd also take a good look at the Yamaha AW line. Yamaha has been making digital mixers since day one, and dynamics/eq on each channel is a very, very good thing to have.

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With that sort of mindset, this forum wouldn't exist and the world would be filled with so much amazing music that war would be a long-forgotten concept.


It wasn't a retarded question. Get off your high horse, brother.

 

 

I agree with this statement.

I also like this statement.

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No PC for music here except for dumping/loading sysex files.

I record my 24 channel mixer out straight to a Boss BR1180 multitrack and try to get all EQ's dynamics 'acceptable' before recording. If necessary I'll use it's onboard mastering tool kit with multiband compression for slight adjustments. I don't use the onboard effects though (have quality efx processors in my mixer's aux busses).

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I am sure that many can relate to me when I say that sometimes it's easy to get stuck on getting the "best" and newest gear and sound quality rather than saying screw it and recording something and not worrying about the details. I can barely even sequence out a couple drum loops in FL Studio before I start adding efx, EQ, compression, etc... too focused on DETAILS!


I think I am going to buy a decent used digital multi-track and get back to jamming. I don't even care if the music sucks, at least it will be fun. Messing with computers is supposed to help productivity, but for me it kills it.


p.s. I wished I lived nearer to Chicago!!

 

 

I can relate and understand what you are saying. When I was younger I had a limited amount of equipment to choose from. I felt that I made a large amount of music compared to what I make now.

 

In the last 6 months I have really gotten into synths and what they can truly do. I'm not really concerned about making that much music right now. I have some things that could be finished but I really enjoy getting inside of a synthesizer and seeing how it works. I just love it. I have so much fun just trying to figure out things. At one point I thought that this was maybe counterproductive but I think that in the process of learning my synths I'm furthering my knowledge which will most likely have an influence on my future music.

 

Yes, it seems when there are more things thrown into the mix people can sometimes get sidetracked by all the things that are available out there. There are so many things to choose from, so many sounds, programs, effects.

 

Remember when synths could only play 6 notes? Or remember when they only had a really small amount of sample/waveforms to choose from. Now there are some synths that have almost a Gig of waves to choose from. It is an incredible amount of waves to choose from. For some people maybe that would mean more choices but for other people maybe it would mean more time it takes them to program a "just right" sound.

 

For myself I'm going to take a little more time to learn my equipment a bit more then I will truly delve into songwriting and making music. I feel that learning and knowing what I have available to me will make things easier in the long run.

 

I hope this helps you.

 

Oh, I forgot one more thing. When It comes to getting the perfect sound or getting all the notes perfect I personally gave up on this about 5 years ago. I was always trying to be perfect with everything. Now I just settle with a decent sound and not making many mistakes. But if I have a passage in a song that really needs to be practiced really well I will usually take enough time to get it just right. When I go to record it I try not to spend to much time with a large amount of takes.

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actually, eventually, you may just come full circle...

 

Lately I have broken my rig down into two. in one, i have this massive, magnificent, monsterous pile of great synths (if I do say so myself). IN the other, I have the MPC1000, A5000, E64, Electribe EMX1 and an axiom controller board.

 

originally this small setup started as kinda a place I put stuff I loved but didnt use much. Then something happened. I realized I was sitting down to use the small rig of lesser items, bringing just one synth at a time from the 'big rig' over and focusing on it. I sequence with the MPC and sample/process with the samplers. I am mixing through a crappy yamaha small format mixer (the one really week link in the setup). suddenly, out of now where, I have started having fun with what little studio time I have.

 

I think the difference here is focus - I dont have the 'where do I start' moments that I get in the big studio, because there really isnt much *choice*. whatever synth i have hooked up in the small rig is going to be the focus of my attention at least long enough to get a track started. Then, I kinda go 'ya know..this track needs virus'..so i swap out whatever is sitting in front of me for the virus...and on and on.

 

I will still probably keep the big daw around for mixing and finishing tracks. but writing in the context of a big rig? never again.

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It wasn't a retarded question. Get off your high horse, brother.

What high horse? If your posting here your not making music. So logic dictates that if you want to make more music don't post here and you will. How much gear you have has nothing to do with how much music you can or can't make.

 

I don't remember saying your question was retarded, you said it (see thread topic). I also didn't say you were retarded, you're implying that yourself.

 

Seriously, if you want to make more music then go make it. Talking about making more music isn't making any more music than you are now. Constantly screwing around with buying and selling gear isn't making any more music either.

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