Members Daft Punk Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 So, for those of us who have been anticipating the PC3 for almost 7 or 8 months now, it seems that they've added an X to it and thrown in a sequencer. I don't remember there having been a sequencer before, so could someone correct me if I'm wrong? It seems to be coming "Winter 2007", so I wouldn't be surprised if it hits the stores in the next month or two. This just might make me return the XS and get a PC3(X), as I am a big Kurz fan. Also, while browsing on the kurzweil site for info, I found a link to something called "listentokeyboards.com", that lets you compare different keyboards. Just in case anyone's interested, I think they've got the M3 and the XS up there already, along with some older keyboards. I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but if you're interested, it is free and I don't think you need to sign up. Cheers :cop::cop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lewey Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 According to Kurzweil, it's just a repackaged PC2. 832 Factory Programs- Includes complete PC2 Base Sound ROM, the Orchestral, Classic Keys, General MIDI set, 64 KB3 programs PLUS new String Section ROM Bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Daft Punk Posted October 21, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 According to Kurzweil, it's just a repackaged PC2. 832 Factory Programs- Includes complete PC2 Base Sound ROM, the Orchestral, Classic Keys, General MIDI set, 64 KB3 programs PLUS new String Section ROM Bank. :cop: Damn, guess I'll stick with my Motif XS8. You were right Lewey, it is miles ahead of the M3 Any news from Roland regarding a release date or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members idiotboy Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 Lewey said:According to Kurzweil, it's just a repackaged PC2... Huh? Neither the PC2 nor the PC2x had the following features of the PC3x: ---sequencer ---4 independent arpeggiators ---USB ---Flash card port ---additional KDFX effects ---hundreds of beats and musical phrases ---9 sliders (PC2/x had only 4) ---16 part multitimbral (PC2/x was only 4-part) ---includes the excellent "Classic Keys" ROM (optional on the PC2/x) The PC3x isn't revolutionary, but to call it "just a repackaged PC2" seems an understatement to me. Of course, I am biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Megakazbek Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 According to Kurzweil, it's just a repackaged PC2. 832 Factory Programs- Includes complete PC2 Base Sound ROM, the Orchestral, Classic Keys, General MIDI set, 64 KB3 programs PLUS new String Section ROM Bank. You may want to check out this Sonikmatter forums topic where Dave Weiser of Kurzweil tells about PC3 features. It turns out that PC3 won't be just a repackaged PC2, but it will actually have the whole VAST synthesis from K2xxx series with lots of significant improvements (the main one is that triple mode is extended to all 32 layers, not just 3, making PC3 a semi-modular synthesizer, quite similar to Clavia Nord Modular for example) that put PC3 way ahead than current K26xx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Aanalogaddict Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 Also, while browsing on the kurzweil site for info, I found a link to something called "listentokeyboards.com", that lets you compare different keyboards. Just in case anyone's interested, I think they've got the M3 and the XS up there already, along with some older keyboards. :cop: :cop: Just be aware of that it's Kurzweil 'endorsed'... :cop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lewey Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 Lewey said:According to Kurzweil, it's just a repackaged PC2...[/QUOTE] Huh? Neither the PC2 nor the PC2x had the following features of the PC3x: ---sequencer ---4 independent arpeggiators ---USB ---Flash card port ---additional KDFX effects ---hundreds of beats and musical phrases ---9 sliders (PC2/x had only 4) ---16 part multitimbral (PC2/x was only 4-part) ---includes the excellent "Classic Keys" ROM (optional on the PC2/x) The PC3x isn't revolutionary, but to call it "just a repackaged PC2" seems an understatement to me. Of course, I am biased. Features won't end up on your songs. You can't hear the features when you listen to the music you made with the instrument. Sounds on the other hand - you can. That's all that matters to me. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 :cop: Damn, guess I'll stick with my Motif XS8. You were right Lewey, it is miles ahead of the M3 Any news from Roland regarding a release date or something? Yes ! I am reading an annoucement about Rolands new Ahh{censored} , earthquake ! Gotta go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Daft Punk Posted October 21, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 Yes ! I am reading an annoucement about Rolands new Ahh{censored} , earthquake ! Gotta go :cop::cop::cop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Megakazbek Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 Features won't end up on your songs. You can't hear the features when you listen to the music you made with the instrument. Sounds on the other hand - you can. That's all that matters to me. YMMV. Then how can you say PC3 is just a repackaged PC2 if you haven't even heard the sounds of PC3 yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TechEverlasting Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 From what I've been able to gather the only significant news about the PC3X is that its release has been further delayed. "Winter NAMM" seems to be the current target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sprech_stimme Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 Just be aware of that it's Kurzweil 'endorsed'... :cop: Not just endorsed -- it's a Kurzweil marketing project, with Kurzweil setting up the site and hiring the "producer." http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/NewsStory.php?id=9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 Not just endorsed -- it's a Kurzweil marketing project, with Kurzweil setting up the site and hiring the "producer."http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/NewsStory.php?id=9 I actually sent this person an email with two suggestions, and received a very nice response, suggesting that they will expand the website. The two suggestions I gave were:1) Provide the actual Bank/Patch information for all of the sounds With acoustic pianos an an example, any workstation has multiple patches (e.g. the PC2 series have at least 4 different patches), and these can sound very different from one another. Also, I am not sure how they can handle B3 sounds correctly. The Kurz PC2, Korg OASYS, and Roland VK8 all have tonewheel modeling engines (not just samples) so they can attempt to recreate all original B3 sounds. 2) Provide the midi files used The above would allow existing owners of some of these products to create their own duplicates, effectively confirming the results. They could also use different patches to get different results. What would REALLY be nice (but I doubt they would do it) would be to also put up samples of the REAL ORIGINAL instruments (i.e. a real B3, Wurly, Rhodes, Clavinet). From a Kurzweil perspective, I think this is a great marketing idea. What they really need is a way to get people to at least consider the PC3. Currently when most people are thinking about buying a new workstation they ONLY think about Korg, Roland and Yamaha. One thing that is going to hurt Kurzweil is the PC3 is only coming out as an 88-key model (the PC3-X [Kurz uses the X to denote 88 keys]). They designed it so it would be possible to manufacture an 76 key model, but currently only the 88 key model has been given the "green light". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Megakazbek Posted October 21, 2007 Members Share Posted October 21, 2007 However, the base sound library will be mostly the same Well, on analog synths people do lots of different and very diverse things using just simple saw, square and sine waves. PC3 will be one of the most capable synthesizers out there, so I think Kurzweil sound designers will probably find a way to squeeze out some fresh sounds from old sample ROMs. Also, considering the fact that PC3 has new virtual analog oscillators and filters from VA1 and that new VAST routing possibilities allow to do almost every imaginable synth architecture, including some real FM synthesis, we can expect that at least synth sounds will be completely new and more up-to-date than older PC and K series.And actually, if you add all ROM sample memory, including the expansion slots, you'll get 512MB (uncompressed) of ROM samples, which is more than any current (even fully expanded) workstation has, excluding OASYS. So PC3 has great potential to grow, and I hope Kurzweil will use it wisely.However, without at least some demos, all this discussion is just speculations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sizzlemeister Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 Let's see. 512MB= 1/2 a GB. My Fusion's hard drive is an "80 GB" HD which means it actually holds somewhere around 78 GB. My HD has about 8 GB currently used which is, what, 16 X the number of ROM samples, approximately, of the PC3. Uncompressed. And it lets me sample. Fusion = ahead of its time. Publick = stupid for not realizing it. (yes yes yes Alesis = stupid for releasing it too soon and not hiring competent engineers to get it on its feet and running much faster...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Daft Punk Posted October 22, 2007 Author Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 Let's see. 512MB= 1/2 a GB. My Fusion's hard drive is an "80 GB" HD which means it actually holds somewhere around 78 GB. My HD has about 8 GB currently used which is, what, 16 X the number of ROM samples, approximately, of the PC3. Uncompressed.And it lets me sample.Fusion = ahead of its time. Publick = stupid for not realizing it. (yes yes yes Alesis = stupid for releasing it too soon and not hiring competent engineers to get it on its feet and running much faster...) I've never actually had the privilege of trying the Fusion. Would it be a waste of time to try it now? Seeing as how I already own a Motif XS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sizzlemeister Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 I've never actually had the privilege of trying the Fusion. Would it be a waste of time to try it now? Seeing as how I already own a Motif XS? Depends on what you want out of the synth. If I had a Motif XS instead of a Fusion and never bought the Fusion in the first place I'd probably be very happy with the XS' capabilities and sound. If you want an all-around freak-fest of a synth the Fusion is hard to beat, though. As a workstation it suits me fine for that, but I'm not a workstation power-user like others here who seemed annoyed at the Fusion's quirkiness in the workstation arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 I've never actually had the privilege of trying the Fusion. Would it be a waste of time to try it now? I would be a little concerned about Alesis quality control issues, but the Fusions are at their lowest prices ever: $1,000 -- Fusion 8HD$ 800 -- Fusion 6HD http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=alesis+fusion&tt=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lewey Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 You might want to consider spelling "public" correctly before you call us stupid. Did you get offended by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 Did you get offended by that? No, but I thought it was funny!!!! This would be similar to someone saying "I think all of you are ideotts" (misspelling "idiots"). Who knows, maybe ol' "sizzle" did that on purpose!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sizzlemeister Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 No, but I thought it was funny!!!! This would be similar to someone saying "I think all of you are ideotts" (misspelling "idiots"). Who know, maybe ol' "sizzle" did that on purpose!! Martin. Please. Don't be stoopid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ElectricPuppy Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 I would bet money that Sizzle misspelled publik on purpose specifically to highlight it's stoopidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Meganulon-X Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 I ain't lickin' no pub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sizzlemeister Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 WOULD YOU ARGUE WITH CALEB PARFECT ABOUT HOW TO USE AND SPELL THE WORD "PUBLICK"? NO! I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members noguud Posted October 22, 2007 Members Share Posted October 22, 2007 I saw the website last week, it seems like a pretty cool idea to me. Hopefully they are being fair and using the best patches for each piece. Some of the acoustic piano sounds were pretty bad...not sure if they are the best the boards have to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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