Beginner Help pleaseeee!!!

Hows it going,

I tried searching but couldnt really get the answers im looking for. Im a complete noob with all this stuff dont have any equip yet. Have played drums,bass and guitar for about 8 -10 years so i am musical though:wave:. Although im a beginner its not a phase and ill catch on fast as i play alot of stuff already (not boasting just so u know : D)

Anyway....I have alot of questions which will probably sound really stupid but anyway:

I want to pursue electronica style music (Justice, Daft punk etc.) so what do i need?

I was looking at a roland sh 201 (but it has no guitar input) or a novation x station 49. But i like the idea of analogue over digital as i would like to start from scratch with sounds and play live.

Presuming i will need a sampler with that?Does a sampler have a drum machine within itself?

Whats all this talk of a stacking also, i thought the samplers do that?

So sorry about dragging this out but i dont wana waste money, what should i really be looking for in a synth (price 600ish) and i had my eye on a roland sampler htink it was the sp 555 or something like that.

Thanks alot lads!

Bonus

i would suggest to start off really cheap with some software and if you see that all goes well to upgrade to a hardware synth/sampler...

Hmmmm i dunno i kinda want to jump i nthe deep end cos im not jsut testing out the waters but want to get stuck into it ye know.

Welcome to the forum, Bonus

Cheers Bonso : D...

Any advice for me at all then :poke:. ?

Does samplers like the roland sp series have drum machines?

What do u make of the roland sh 201?

I want to put my guitar through a synth but the sh 201 doesnt allow that so do samplers allot this?

WHnei get a sampler how can i make my own samples?

Get a 201. GREAT beginner synth, I can get some great tones out of it. And you CAN run a guitar through it.

Also maybe a Microkorg. Not the easiest to program, but a GREAT first board.

Just my .02$

X-station 49 is a good choice for a basic keyboard... it has a decent synth, an audio interface, and good MIDI control abilities. The SH-201 is very simple; you'll outgrow it fairly soon.

If you have a laptop, pick up a copy of Ableton Live 7. That + X-station will be more than enough to get you started. Also consider Reason 4 if you don't like the Ableton instruments.

considering the artists you want to emulate i would look at a sampler before you consider a synth. or maybe software? daft punk and justice are all about cut up filtered loops, not so much giant synthesizers. what kind of pedals do you currently have? you might be able to get a few modules and patch its all together in some sort of frankenstein guitar-modular-synth-beast.

Pedals for my guitar?....i had a zoom and a digitech, cant remember the model got rid of them a while back. Ye thats what i was thinking, i was fiddling around with the sh 201, but the guy in the shop said u CANT run a guitar through it?????????????

So what sampler would u recommend?

I get the impression the x station isnt as much as a synth as the 201?

What are those microkorgs like, they seem handy i wasnt to fond of the sound of them tho.

Sorry to keep asking questions just trying to get loads of info : D:freak:.

Cheers!

Was just looking at a microkorg seems fairly limited, can i run a guitar through that?

http://www.musicstore.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/MusicStore-MusicStoreShop-Site/en_EN/-/EUR/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=?SKU=SYN0002046-000&ProductUUID=0&JumpTo=OfferList

Heres the sh 201 spec:

http://www.musicstore.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/MusicStore-MusicStoreShop-Site/en_EN/-/EUR/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=?SKU=SYN0002046-000&ProductUUID=0&JumpTo=OfferList

And the novation:

http://www.musicstore.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/MusicStore-MusicStoreShop-Site/en_EN/-/EUR/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=?SKU=SYN0002364-000&ProductUUID=0&JumpTo=OfferList

Im lookng for analogue more than anything though. : D

Forget analog because at the price it starts at you can't afford it. A Korg MS-20 would be nice but those go at 750 euros and above. The MS-10 isn't as much fun.

The price you can afford it at has no external inputs (or knobs; those are truly a fad of virtual analogs because adding a vocoder was so cheap.

So, what to buy then? A Nord Modular (classic, with keyboard). If you're lucky, you have a nice synth and a wicked effects box.

That's probably a good idea if you want to loop existing work and filter it.

No, not necessarily; some drum machines do have samplers built in, however.

I don't know about anyone talking about stacking, but if you mean "layer different instruments", that's more of a production technique instead of a something-related-to-gear thing.

Go try the 201 and MicroKorg, see what you can do with 'm; that should give you a better idea.

Yo Yozzer,

Cheers for the help. I have already tried the 201 and i did like it but if i cant run a guitar through it theres not really much point.

Can i run a guitar through a microkorg?

I was looking at this sampler:

http://www.musicstore.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/MusicStore-MusicStoreShop-Site/en_EN/-/EUR/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=?SKU=SYN0003021-000&ProductUUID=0&JumpTo=OfferList

Electronica is more my thing rathger than trance, Justice have a big influence on me....just so u know what direction im looking for.

At the back of the MicroKorg is an audio input. It's where the little microphone for the vocoder plugs into, too; so yeah, you can run one into it, it's just that doing this without some kind of amplifier won't do much.

The SP555 would be an option. The reason to get a synth would be because playing melodies on something like this isn't really doable (the samples will not pitch up and down automatically). You can plug a guitar into it (the mic plug's middle hole is big enough for a jack plug, but I'd recommend using an amplifier before you put it in there). Also, get a card reader for your PC: it's usually much easier to swap the cards than it is to hook up the machine. Get the fastest Compact Flash card you can get.

Korg's MS2000 - analog modeling, plenty of knobbage, vocoder input for insturment & mic. I sold mine for $400 on here; you can probably pick one up on craigslist or ebay for just as much.

Ok thanks for all the info lads!

Im still a bit confuzzled tho cos every1 is saying different things so im gonna throw out what exactly i have in mind at the moment and u can pick holes in it.

I want this to put a guitar through and make electronica style stuff so:

Roland sh 201 = synth

Roland sp 555

So i was thinking i put the sampler through the synth and the guitar through the synth ? cheers lads

By the way, it really doesn't matter if you get Microkorg, MS-2000 or SH-201. They all sound just the same. Look to score the cheapest one. They should introduce you into this type of music. You can even go with Alesis Ion, although it might be a little bit too deep for you.

Then, once you figure out where are you and what do you want, you can buy yourself a Minimoog, Voyager or Monopoly and start making some FAT sequences in DaftPunk style. A Prophet 5 rev3 might come handy (as DaftPunk samples people that were mostly using Minimoogs and Prophets), once you earn your first $5k.

Cheers Don!

sounds like a plan....

just to clear things up can u run a guitar through the sh 201???

the sh 201 has better sound than the microkorg also, but i dunno how it compares effects wise.

Yes. But it is useless. There is no envelope follower. All you get is a filter processing. But you can do that with a computer soundcard and some software too.