Members nielsh Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hi Fantom G manual and sound list at http://www.roland.com/products/en/goPrd.cfm RegardsNiels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members midi Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Wow, 324 pages!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members midi Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Wow - finally Poly aftertouch on a Roland board, I want the G8! http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-ROL-FANTOMG8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khazul Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Wow - finally Poly aftertouch on a Roland board, I want the G8! http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-ROL-FANTOMG8 Huh? where did you get that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HomeInMyShoes Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 ^Shit, I want one now. I wonder if I can reprogram my X8 to have that. Oh wait, according to page 30, only the pads are polyphonic aftertouch while the keyboard is channel. Wait a second. Pads, aftertouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tony Scharf Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 The pads on the X series were also able to send poly aftertouch. but *only* the pads. I think the world needs to accept that Poly AT is dead. Sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HomeInMyShoes Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 ^It is sad. It was an actual useful and fun to use performance tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tony Scharf Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 ^It is sad. It was an actual useful and fun to use performance tool. Agreed. I had it on one of my first workstations, a General Music S3. Because of that experience, I have never ever liked channel aftertouch. It just seems so...one dimensional after playing with Poly AT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hmm ... As someone who has SRX-01, 03, 05, 06, 07 ... (after a quick run-though) ... there sure doesn't seem to be much new in there (seems like Roland kept most of the SRX names) ... and frankly, how could they ... Between 65 mb for the piano and the rest for 950 mb of SRX patches, where WOULD the new stuff go? That said, it did seem like the best SRX patches were there ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I'm actually a little burn't on the Fantom S/X and SRX sounds. I hope Roland comes out with a couple of better ARX cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members midi Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 My bad - read the MIDI imp chart and got over excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hmm ... As someone who has SRX-01, 03, 05, 06, 07 ... (after a quick run-though) ... there sure doesn't seem to be much new in there (seems like Roland kept most of the SRX names) ... and frankly, how could they ... Between 65 mb for the piano and the rest for 950 mb of SRX patches, where WOULD the new stuff go?That said, it did seem like the best SRX patches were there ... Thats odd "Some " SRX"" per Eric Klein Eric Klein of Roland US said mostly new samples for the G, brand new raw samples its from the video interview at NAMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Who knows? It was just a quick read-through ... but many names seemed familiar ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Tony Scharf Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 They may have kept names but replaced sounds so that you could import sounds from the older models and have them sound somewhat the same (though probably not exactly). Its just a thought. If they have a set naming convention, and they have limited character space for names, then its also just possible that they reused the old names.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 its from the video interview at NAMMUnless things have changed since then. When I saw the G at NAMM, it wasn't close to being finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Unless things have changed since then. When I saw the G at NAMM, it wasn't close to being finished. Right. Eric Klein of Roland US did not play the new G sounds. He simply made the statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Who knows? It was just a quick read-through ... but many names seemed familiar ... I believe it 80% of the patch names on the GX are same as the SX. Its possible Roland is doing a good job of confusing us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 The official Fantom-G Overview Video ( http://www.roland.com/demos/en/i0064/index.html ) states (at 1:05): The Fantom G's soundset contains waveforms from the Fantom X series, select waveforms from the entire SRX expansion series, as well as all-together new samples captured using the highest quality microphones, pre-amps and converters avaiable I would suspect the majority of the samples are NOT new; however is that really a bad thing? "Waveforms" are not the same thing as "patches/programs". Even the same samples can sound better if they are put through a different sound playback engine and run through better hardware converters. Although the Fantom X and G may share a large number of samples on their sample list, aren't many of the patch names different (implying new sound programming)? The presets can sound fresh and new even with "old" samples if the sound programmers did a good job. Creating usable samples for keyboard workstations is expensive. Not only do you have the expense of the recording sessions, you have a lot of work to edit the samples (and many times loop them) so they are ready to be used by sound set programmers. Using the three categories of samples makes sense to me:-- Fantom Samples: there are many of these that are probably "classic Roland" samples. Why would you throw these away?-- SRX Samples: at 64MB a set, Roland spent a lot of money on these (producing 12 SRX boards). I liked many of these samples better than the factory samples, especially on the SRX cards that were dedicated to a few instruments (like the newest SRX-11 Piano and SRX-12 Classic EPs). Given many of these are good samples, why not use them?-- New Samples: Probably consist of areas Roland thought could be improved. In the end, the Fantom-G will be judged more on how good it sounds (i.e. the presets) rather than the breakdown of "old samples" to "new samples". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Diametro Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 I don't think the preceding conversation was about waveforms or samples, Martin ... We were talking about patches, as you know, are collections of waveforms ... To me, if a patch name is the same, it generally means it's the same patch ... If it was a signficiantly new re-working, I'd think Roland would rename it appropriately to reflect the change in sonic character ... As it seems like the only change in the synthesis section anyone's able to discern is the expansion of the step LFO from 16 to 64 steps ... it doesn't seem like much re-programming will be going on ... the sonic difference will be heard in NEW patches, more effects and new A/D hardware ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 The official Fantom-G Overview Video ( http://www.roland.com/demos/en/i0064/index.html ) states (at 1:05):I would suspect the majority of the samples are NOT new; however is that really a bad thing?"Waveforms" are not the same thing as "patches/programs". Even the same samples can sound better if they are put through a different sound playback engine and run through better hardware converters.Although the Fantom X and G may share a large number of samples on their sample list, aren't many of the patch names different (implying new sound programming)? The presets can sound fresh and new even with "old" samples if the sound programmers did a good job.Creating usable samples for keyboard workstations is expensive. Not only do you have the expense of the recording sessions, you have a lot of work to edit the samples (and many times loop them) so they are ready to be used by sound set programmers.Using the three categories of samples makes sense to me:-- Fantom Samples: there are many of these that are probably "classic Roland" samples. Why would you throw these away?-- SRX Samples: at 64MB a set, Roland spent a lot of money on these (producing 12 SRX boards). I liked many of these samples better than the factory samples, especially on the SRX cards that were dedicated to a few instruments (like the newest SRX-11 Piano and SRX-12 Classic EPs. Given many of these are good samples, why not use them?-- New Samples: Probably consist of areas Roland thought could be improved.In the end, the Fantom-G will be judged more on how good it sounds (i.e. the presets) rather than the breakdown of "old samples" to "new samples". listen carefully http://www.piaknow.com/fantomgvideo.htm1:04-1:12per Eric Klein of Roland US ... "most of the patches are BRAND NEW, brand new patches, brand new raw samples" and it ALSO collects a lot of patches from our SRX series boards... There ya go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members midi Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Is it just me, or do these sound a tad over-priced compared to the Motif XS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 Is it just me, or do these sound a tad over-priced compared to the Motif XS?What are you comparing? Spec-wise, the only major things the Motif wins is ROM size (355 vs. 256MB) and number of simultaneous arpeggiators. Admittedly, those two things may be very important to someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MartinHines Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 listen carefullyhttp://www.piaknow.com/fantomgvideo.htm1:04-1:12per Eric Klein of Roland US ... "most of the patches are BRAND NEW, brand new patches, brand new raw samples" and it ALSO collects a lot of patches from our SRX series boards...There ya go He may say that, but if the sample names are the same, they are most likely the same samples. I highly doubt most (implying more than 50%) of the samples are brand new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Son of HuHefner Posted March 4, 2008 Members Share Posted March 4, 2008 He may say that, but if the sample names are the same, they are most likely the same samples. I highly doubt most (implying more than 50%) of the samples are brand new. I won't argue this point ( surprisingly) Roland has , on occaision, confused customers with unclear statements regarding where the new sounds are DERIVED from. Can we all agree SRX sounds , Fantom X sounds, Sonic cells sounds are not ' brand new ' ? Based on the samples AND Patches used on current boards through 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The Audacity Works Posted March 5, 2008 Members Share Posted March 5, 2008 The way it's worded seems to me that it's the patches that are mostly new, and the "new samples" was an aside. As in "mostly new patches" and some "new samples". Not "mostly new patches" and "mostly new samples". Either way, it'd be impossible to include a large portion of SRX samples with a ROM size of 256MB. One thing I noticed in the manual, however, was the mention that each ARX board adds up to sixteen parts. That means the G could potentially sequence 64 destinations (16 internal, 16 external, 32 ARX with their own polyphony) across 128 MIDI tracks. The ARX01 and ARX02 don't appear to be multitimbral, but does this mean there might be, say a 16-part, 128-voice orchestral board in the works? Or an 8-part analog modeling synth board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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