Emergency Editing questions-Triton and Fantom Experts

I have my first full gig tonight since being sidelined with cancer last fall and the last two days I've been editing setups and patches for new songs I've never covered before. I have two quick questions I'm hoping you all could help me with.

Triton-Arrpeggio Question

The 'dual arrpeggios' on the Extreme have always amazed me in what they can achieve... however programing the to do simple stuff can be a chore. I have a part I need to play to a click track to. A simple quarter note arrpeggio at 130bpm in a Combi I am using.However, the preset arrpegio patterns are not that simple. I don't need any Octave change... no Up/Down/Random/Guitar Strumming/Trance Infused fancy pattern. Just a simple single octave/quarter note pattern. Anyway have some insight on how to 'reverse engineer' the patterns they already offer to achieve this.

Fantom-S Perfomance- Saving individual patch edits?

I have a Fantom S I'll be using tonight in addition to my Triton because during some very involved song medleys it's just easier for me to have a patch waiting for me rather than using one board and constantly changing patches. I've created some layers and splits however when I try to edit an individual patch within that performance (ie: Edit>change Octave -2) and I write that performance... it doesn't save the edits??? It keeps revering back to the original preset setting (in this case Octave 0) Am I missing a step? The performance is named, saved to a media card, however the edits are not.

Thanks for your help... gig starts in 7 hours.

Fantom-S ... Some edits are saved within performances, some need to be saved to new patches and a peformance ... To be sure ... Just save a new, edited user patch that is the reference for a saved performance ... Have you tried that ... ???

On the Triton, you can start with a blank pattern, and create a pattern like this:

x---x---x---x---

So, we have 16 steps representing the whole 4/4 measure, with your quarter notes on the 1st, 5th, 9th and 13th step. On the arpeggio editor page, go to one of the "user" arpeggio patterns (it'll start with a "U", like "U001", "U002", etc), initialize all the steps (meaning, clear the pattern) if it isn't already cleared.

Then, select the first step and hit your '0' button. Then select the 5th step and hit the '0' button. Do the same for the 9th and 13th steps. Turn on the arpeggio and hold down a key. It should play a note at every quarter note.

I may have left a step or two out because I'm at work and my Triton's at home. Anyways, that's pretty much the way it works.

If you want the arpeggio to repeat, you can check the "latch" (might be called "hold") box on the screen. Check the "key sync" ("keyboard"?) box to have the tempo start over with every keypress.

In a Combination, you may have to set the "scan zone" for the arpeggio, so it only triggers when you play a certain key, not every key.

I hope this gets you started. Good luck on your gig.

When you're done, under the menu at the top-right of the screen, you should "Write Arpeggio Patters" to ensure your patterns stay in memory when your Triton's turned-off. I'm not totally sure this is necessary, but I want to make sure you don't lose your work.

On your Fantom S, instead of doing your octave change in patch edit, do it in performance part (pitch- part octave shift) and it will be saved in your performance edit wg3.

Yeah, do it in PERFORMANCE ... That's what I meant ... if that wasn't clear ... But sometimes, you need to do a custom save of the associated patch as well ...

Thanks to all the info above...

mrcpro... one last question... when I edit the arrpeggio tempo... where do I do that in the performance edit? Again I've tried setting it manually using realtime controls then writing to the card and it keeps revert back to the original setting.

The Fantom's editing process seem so much more complicated when compared to the Triton. Everything takes 9 steps.

It's been so long since I used my Fantom S and I really never got into arps much. But they are stored independently from patches and performances.

There's an arp write function and you may have to store your tempo change there first. But there's also a system setting that allows a performance to change tempo and maybe that's disabled. You may have to muck through your system settings to find it.

Diametro may be more help in this area.

You need to change it in the control settings>tempo tab ... and THEN set the tempo for the performance ... SAVE the performance ... Don't ask me why you need to set it twice ... but that's it ...

Actually, the most important thing is to make sure the TEMPO OVERIDE is set to ON in the SYSTEM menu ... I think this is what may be tripping you off ...

So what happened ... ???

Sorry... never answered this.

After looking at the time crunch, I just figured a much easier way to acheive this with my R3. Again the Fantom with it's 49 step editing process continues to slide in it's usefulness in my live rig. The Triton was pretty easy to setup though.

Thanks for the all the help. I'll know better next time.

Well, it does help to know your gear and not leave things to the last moment ...

But I'm not going to dispute the Fantom has its quirks and foibles ... as do all synths, I'm sure ...

Grant - dude, I have no answers for you & this post was from last week so I'm sure you figured out a work around... just wanted to say I'm glad you're back in action - - didn't know you had been sick.

Maybe that's why your post counts kind of dwindled in recent months, I used to see you on here a lot more... anyway, glad to hear you're back at it - you seem like a guy who loves to play the live gigs - - must've been hard to miss them for a while.