keyboard players underestimate guitars and guitarists for that matter

I have realized this after recent post of a guitarist asking for help with a keyboard to grow with and responses he got .

For many of us guitar is a wooden box or plank with 6 or 4 wires, some screws and one or 2 pickups. When we think about it and listen to Carlos Santana or Pat Matheny we quickly agree there is much more to it.

I'd suggest then take something like that wooden box or plank in your hands and play some good music with then we talk. Today's keyboards almost play by themselves, to play a guitar well you still have to have some technique and ear.

I think there is some misconception about keyboard being the most difficult and prestigious instrument out there. The acoustic piano maybe is not a keyboard.

So why we disregard guitarist? I don't get it...

So why we disregard guitarist?

Nobody did. Not seriously, anyway. Of course accomplished guitarists deserve respect. And I like lots of guitar music.

And none of my keyboards play themselves. Including my acoustic piano.

yup nobody did. talk about difficulty ? Erhu and Pipa

come on, how about your pianola?

but have you ever heard about guitarola? I didn't .

I realise playing the guitar is hard,I tried to learn it a few years ago,but it wasn't really for me,I much prefer playing keys.

My Keyboards don't play themselves either..

Without a doubt, guitar is a difficult instrument to play. Just as difficult as keyboards, IMO. I don't know exactly what you mean when you say keyboards :play themselves" Unless your referring to arpegiators and sequencers, which still require knoledge to use, and are deffinatly NOT a major part of keyboard playing (well not my keyboard playing).

I deffinatly do not regard a guitar as a "[wooden box with strings]". I am currently learning guitar and bass guitar myself, and it is a very fun and interesting instrument, and is by NO means any less difficult or musically demanding then keyboards/piano.

as far as the thread I believe you were reffering to, I think some forum members just got a bit disgruntled because it was a very common thread here in the keyboard forums, and I think some people, especially the guys that have been here forever get a bit annoyed. Also, That guy was pretty soft... We simply asked him to elaborate so he got scared and left. Pink Floyd and I also had a good discussion on that thread.

So why we disregard guitarist? I don't get it...

Simple. There are way too many of them and 90% of them suck. Hard.

The way I see it, guitar is the most ego-based instrument of all.

I do love guitar, but only when it's played by someone who knows how to play it and leaves enough space for other musicians to play.

And that goes for any instrument.

playing music is by definition a very egocentric thing in a good way as I see it.

No.

Not in most cases.

Guitarist in most cases are so stupid, that they buy microkorgs. That is proof enough.

I haven't, either. Is it like this?

Poor keyboard players. If only they had even the tiniest set of balls they might be recognized as true musicians (aside from the pansy ass piano players who jam with orchestras).

Anyway, on the keyboard it's a little bit more difficult to suck because firstly you don't have to tune it and secondly each sound is right there where it is...black and white On a guitar you have to create sound from scratch./QUOTE]

 

There is a difference between playing keyboard and playing keboard. In one case, you're playing crappy presets on your cheap-ass casio, at the other side you have the keyboardist with decent gear who knows how to program his own patches and knows how and when to use them.

 

Playing keyboards is more than pressing a few buttons. It can go way further than playing guitar, though you will never have that same control over dynamics that guitarists have..

programming patches etc has nothing to do with playing music as well as make of a instrument doesn't.

It has everything to do with playing music. I can't play as well on a crappy board as I can on a decent board, and I'm not the only one. Programming is a part of what a keyboardist does.

I thought it's because keyboardists are jealous guitarist always get all attention from chicks...

There are good guitarists. And then there are guitarists that think that just because they know two power chords and can play a pentatonic scale at moderate speed, they are god.

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and secondly each sound is right there where it is...black and white

I, personally, underestimate everyone who isn't me.

I play both piano (not keyboards, piano) and guitar. What is "harder"? What does that mean? They're just different.

Keyboardists vs Guitarists on a Keyboard forum, i wonder who will 'win'.

Personally i have nothing against guitarists as long as they don;t suck bad. Or think they're a god.

There are good guitarists. And then there are guitarists that think that just because they know two power chords and can play a pentatonic scale at moderate speed, they are god.

but isn't this true with keyboardists as well? Plenty of young fellows now with arranges and samplers pressing and holding one chord (usually C-major) and getting erections over that... In addition this "keyboardist" are also a racists since they avoid black keys like a fire... Guitarists are far more tolerant.

but isn't this true with keyboardists as well? Plenty of young fellows now with arranges and samplers pressing and holding one chord (usually C-major) and getting erections over that...

Yes, this is true.

But, that's the marketplace. The skill level required to play keyboard songs seems to have dramatically decreased over the last century. Example:

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In addition this "keyboardist" are also a racists since they avoid black keys like a fire... Guitarists are far more tolerant.

Racists, the lot of them!

And Stevie played the black keys rather a lot, as he is in that photo... i am told it's easier that way when you can;t see the keyboard

Bwahaha @ this thread.

Keyboards are my favorite instrument.

But I've always been primarily a guitar player. (reason being, basically, that after decades of playing guitar, I am better at it)

Being responsible for calling the OP in the other thread to read the sticky, I feel very amused by this thread, considering I am a guitarist and I know how guitarists think.

Nobody did. Not seriously, anyway. Of course accomplished guitarists deserve respect. And I like lots of guitar music.

 

And none of my keyboards play themselves. Including my acoustic piano.[/QUOTE]

 

either do mine ,,,, there is a big difference between the players that let the keyboard doing the playing and actually playing the thing. i am a one board kinda guy. Simple rig. 88 stage piano not much in the way of bells and whistles.

I told myself I wouldn't respond to this inane thread, but here goes anyway. For the record, I'm a pianist/synthesist who has played guitar on and off for many years.

In no particular order:

1. Synths don't play themselves. Perhaps you're thinking of arpeggiators and sequencers. That's not playing. That's arpeggiating and sequencing, which is something closer to recording and triggered playback.

2. It's true that not all guitar players think they're gods, but those who do are usually mimicking their favorite players. It's idol worship, a social and psychological dependency. Understand this.

3. Guitarists are generally not the center of attention with women. You're thinking of the lead vocalist. They are the ones who get the women.

4. (Relating to item 1) The piano keyboard is geometrically different from the guitar fingerboard. The latter has limits that the former does not possess. On the one hand, it takes more effort to create the basic element of music -- a note -- with a guitar than with a piano or synth. But the challenges of playing each instrument are different.

It's important to remember that the piano was originally conceived as the composer's instrument, with 88 notes of polyphony to mirror the pitch range of an entire orchestra. The range of possible chords one can play on a piano so far outstrips what one can do on a guitar that the two are not even comparable. A five-string guitar is limited to chords of five notes, and even then, certain note combinations are simply not possible on a guitar, even with alternate tuning.

Yet the mark of mastery in playing the guitar is often revealed in how well one can work within those limits. It's a fine instrument. Yet the piano is in some ways more challenging because of the absence (or easing) of those same structural limits.