Members Stackabones Posted March 10, 2009 Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 Interesting article ...http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/neil_mccormick/blog/2009/03/10/youtube_versus_the_songwriters_whats_this_dispute_all_about If you like to get your music fix watching videos on Youtube, whether it is old pirated footage of the Beatles on Ready Steady Go or the latest promo from a hot young thing like Lady GaGa, you better get online now. By tomorrow, all music videos are supposed to be removed from Youtube's UK site. Looks like a UK thing right now, but tomorrow who knows where else it'll go. The last paragraph is worth reading, too. Youtube has come to be considered a big promotional tool but I have never got the sense that it is feeding a great deal of money into the business, and precious little of that seems to be filtering down to the songwriters, who are always at the bottom of the feeding chain. When people advocate new business models for musicians in a world where the music itself is free, they don't seem to give much consideration to the plight of the backroom people who contribute so much to the music we listen to. As Rick Carnes said, "Songwriters don't sell T-shirts. We're too ugly and we dress funny. Songwriter fan clubs meet in phone booths so the email lists are too small to monetize effectively. We make our money on record sales and radio airplay. Or, we used to make our money on record sales. Illegal downloading ended that. Now we are looking for new jobs." Ouch. Hard times, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ido1957 Posted March 10, 2009 Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 Interesting - Personnally I doubt if it will ever actually come to pass that music videos are removed from YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted March 10, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 Interesting - Personnally I doubt if it will ever actually come to pass that music videos are removed from YouTube. They are removed every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted March 10, 2009 Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 TBH, I don't understand the difference between the Napster business model and the YouTube business model. Google has more money and power, and the copyright owners are more inclined to cut deals, but fundamentally it's still just letting some users upload what other users want in an entertainment area where the distributors have dropped the ball/refused to serve the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ido1957 Posted March 10, 2009 Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 This one will never get deleted... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted March 10, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 This one will never get deleted... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI I won't click. I'm afraid of being Rick Roll'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted March 10, 2009 Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 Napster charges $15 a month and pays licensing fees through formal arrangements... that's one moderately significant difference. Because YouTube's content is not controlled by YT themselves, they're forced to come to separate arrangements with IP holders to try to cover unauthorized content uploaded by users. Since users appear to not take YT's frequent and stern imprecations not to UL unauthorized material at all seriously, they apparently will be forced to aggressively gut their content in the UK and continue similar efforts here. This is a damn shame but it is a direct result of people consciously misusing YT for the unauthorized distribution of music... look at all the songs that people put up there with no significant video content. They're simply putting it up on YT because they think they can get away with it. They couldn't get away with that at Soundclick. So they do it at YouTube hoping to fly under the radar... So it's bad users that are bringing this on... which is a shame because YT has been a great resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted March 10, 2009 Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 Um... Napster charges $15 a month and pays licensing fees through formal arrangements... that's one moderately significant difference. Original (circa 2001) Napster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Elias Graves Posted March 10, 2009 Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 Copyright owners have every right to demand it. I have nothing worth stealing, but if I did, I would not be happy about it. Music and information will be radically transformed by technology. We haven't a clue what the music business will be like twenty years from now. EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted March 10, 2009 Members Share Posted March 10, 2009 Original (circa 2001) Napster. And it's been how long since that was their biz model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cadence440 Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Would they take off people playing covers of songs? Unpublished songs? Where would they draw the line? I am glad I'm not in england... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members blue2blue Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 I think it's safe to say that it's only a matter of time, here. There's been too much rampant abuse of IP rights on YouTube. Which is too bad because it's been an amazing national sounding board where elements of pop culture that may well have been missed by many are re-explored. But the problem is, if you give some folks a little wiggle room, they just keep taking. Greed, in all its forms... root of evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted March 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 I wonder if IP rights are killing (or hampering or eroding) creative culture. Imagine if Beethoven or Haydn had to go through a publisher or lawyer or Harry Fox to insert a bit of Mozart or Bach into a piece. Dear Herr van Beethoven, We hereby order you to remove Mozart's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rsadasiv Posted March 11, 2009 Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 The "Sonny Bono Act" is everything you would expect from a guy who was once married to Cher. Then again, I'm a big Larry Lessig fan, so YMMV. But less theoretically, the business model for music distribution is broken, so even if copyright (as legislated today) were enforced, songwriters and performers would still not receive the compensation that they deserve, and in many cases would not even receive the compensation to which they are contractually entitled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted March 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Then again, I'm a big Larry Lessig fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stackabones Posted March 11, 2009 Author Members Share Posted March 11, 2009 Where would they draw the line? Even silence isn't safe. Don't let anyone know that your use of silence or rests was influenced by anyone. You may get sued for infringement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hypcollector Posted March 13, 2009 Members Share Posted March 13, 2009 the technology friegt train could wreck the dummies. lawyers cost money, ressesion or not. they will be wanting a bailout. "senator, the people have a right to their music in these difficult times." it's self absorbed. witness the current wave of popular music, especially nashville. it makes me want to write a song. short and to the point. about spareness. basically, the product is not good enough to protect. the market will determine it. people will look for alternatives. live performances recordings and free music. off topic>>>rap, i like. you can find real songs amongst the idiots and junk. street poets demanding to be heard. we never hear about their bank accounts or hummers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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