Post-Hardcore guitar styles?

So I'm into mainly Deathcore/Metalcore etc. but I'm in a band with a screamer who is heavily into post-hardcore like Chiodos, Escape the Fate, Pierce the Veil, Broadway, A Day To Remember, stuff like that (don't get me wrong I still really like all of those bands) But anyway, we want to write more post-hardcore songs rather then heavier Deathcore/Metalcore. I was just wondering if there are any scales that would help in writing post-hardcore songs, how I'd go about writing post-hardcore guitar things, tips, etc. I listen to a lot of post-hardcore I just don't really know what they do with guitar work. We also want the guitar parts to be ambient (meaning like, happy sounding)

Thanks

P.S. I realize this music is hated by many for one reason or another so I'd really appreciate it if you could keep your musical opinions to yourself if you don't have anything helpful to say. :]

Listen and transcribe. Or get transcriptions/tabs and work from there. Imitate and renovate.

P.S. You should keep your opinions of other's musical opinions to yourself.

You know, in addition to Stack's excellent advice to try to suss it out yourself -- which should greatly improve your ear and analytical abilities -- and is probably how most of the people you want to emulate did it -- you might want to check the electric guitar forum here or some metal forums, since this is more a guitar technique question.

i do not think i was ready for you to put words in quotation marks. i'll think about what you really want when you put your search in quotes and try to return something that makes sense.

I really hate the term "ambient", I keep hearing people use it in reference to music and no one can seem to agree on what it means, ambience of where?

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Buy a post hardcore guitar lesson DVD and do all the lessons.

The really scary thing is that such a thing probably exists...

I hate Deathcore/Metalcore HATE UM!

:cop:Well, that doesn't really have much to do with the OP's topic, does it, Robby?

We all have our particluar tastes and one of the things we try to do here is act like colleagues and professionals. You can probably help someone out, even if they're not working in your favorite genre. And if you can't, it's best to jst stay out of the thread and stay out of the way of folks who can.

Yeah good point, well there are scales that can help with this type of music? But the only ones I'm familiar with measure things out in grams? I do have some experience with these and can recommend some good ones! And I feel this helps the OP by keeping his topic near the top? It's a selfless act, but I'm a giver.

My list

Diminished 7ths

Natural and Harmonic minor

sweep picking

tight palm mutes

Drop C

5150/Recto

Oh I thought you were tying to play metalcore. Nevermind.

i would be interested in this as well. scales, strong structure, etc?

Well....perhaps, as an exercize, you and I should listen to the advise given here and incorporate it into our own music.

I'm game. You?

For hardcore, I like to hit

1, b2, b3, b5, 5, b6, b7.

Basically minor keys, with a phyrigian influence. You don't want to do any harmonically complex chords on the guitar, just power chords (either perfect fifth, or 3rds), and you can try experimenting with inversions using the bass.