Members realtree71 Posted February 12, 2008 Members Share Posted February 12, 2008 If you have good pups good switches and pots..... weld everything properly do you still need to shield the open areas in a TELE Build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pillimees Posted February 12, 2008 Members Share Posted February 12, 2008 Weld? The amount of noise you get depends on your rig and the environment you play in. Generally, telecasters are fairly quiet, as the neck pickup is covered (yours is, right?) and the bridge pickup has a thick bottom plate and the massive metal bridge surrounding it. Shielding can be done at any point, so just put your tele together and see if she hums or not. If yes, and you're sure it's a shielding issue, go for it. If not, there's no harm in not doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted February 12, 2008 Members Share Posted February 12, 2008 Whether you need to shield or not depends on where you play. I shielded my single coil guitars and it made a big difference, but where I play mostly has a lot of interference to begin with. If you plan on gigging I would def shield it. A lot of venues have a lot of interference, and are generally noisy environments, and any noise will be amplified through the PA (if you mic your amp). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members realtree71 Posted February 13, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 13, 2008 Awsome and thanks oh by the way Weld = solder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted February 13, 2008 Members Share Posted February 13, 2008 Awsome and thanksoh by the wayWeld = solder No problem. The copper tape from stewmac is really nice to work with. If you decide to shield let me know if you need help with the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pillimees Posted February 13, 2008 Members Share Posted February 13, 2008 oh by the way Weld = solder I didn't know those two terms were synonyms. I've always known that this is welding: and this is soldering: Guess you learn something new every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Boothead Posted February 13, 2008 Members Share Posted February 13, 2008 I've been rebuilding a crappy jackson I have lying around. Or mainly planning it. Anyways... shielding seems like a good idea. What are all the places that need to be covered with the copper tape or such?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gravity Posted February 13, 2008 Members Share Posted February 13, 2008 I read once that simple aluminum foil can be used in a pinch any truth to this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pillimees Posted February 13, 2008 Members Share Posted February 13, 2008 Anyways... shielding seems like a good idea. What are all the places that need to be covered with the copper tape or such?.. Anywhere you have electronics. Pickup cavities, control cavity, output jack cavity (if it's separate from the rest), etc. Also, longer wire runs (from pickups to controls, from controls to output jack etc) should be shielded as well, either by shielding the channels they run through, or by using shielded leads. Also, shield the underside of the pickguard and any cavity covers. And always make sure all your shields are grounded, or they'll be of no help whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members musicdog400 Posted February 13, 2008 Members Share Posted February 13, 2008 I haven't heard this mentioned much, but I think shielding around a pickup can change its tone substantially, making it much less bright sounding. I say this after shielding my strat, a tele (both with shield paint), and a fender jazz bass (copper tape). Maybe I am just getting the shield too close to the pickup or something. After experiencing this with the bass, I pulled the tape off the walls of the cavity and just left one strip behind the pickup as a compromise. FWIW, I have used snail tape from the hardware store for shielding also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mrbrown49 Posted February 13, 2008 Members Share Posted February 13, 2008 I haven't heard this mentioned much, but I think shielding around a pickup can change its tone substantially, making it much less bright sounding. I say this after shielding my strat, a tele (both with shield paint), and a fender jazz bass (copper tape). Maybe I am just getting the shield too close to the pickup or something. I've heard this as well, but my shielding went into a guitar with p90s and it was already a very bright guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pillimees Posted February 14, 2008 Members Share Posted February 14, 2008 Directly shielding the pickup coils can affect the tone, just like metal covers on a pickup do. Shielding the cavities should have less of an effect, depending on how much room there is around the pickup. Remember that the magnetic field of a pickup is concentrated largely above it, so applying shielding below and around it should have a less noticeable effect. If you do lose treble, you could try using higher value pots to compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members realtree71 Posted February 14, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 14, 2008 I didn't know those two terms were synonyms. I've always known that this is welding: and this is soldering: Guess you learn something new every day. If you look at the excellent examples of photo's you've provided you should realize they are exactly the same...... using extreme heat to melt metal to join two pieces of metal together to become one....... Hey hows Estonia this time of year? I've been there a few times a few years back..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Telekraut Posted February 14, 2008 Members Share Posted February 14, 2008 Here are a couple of excellent articles on shielding:http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/shield3.php http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/shielding/tele.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pillimees Posted February 15, 2008 Members Share Posted February 15, 2008 If you look at the excellent examples of photo's you've provided you should realize they are exactly the same...... using extreme heat to melt metal to join two pieces of metal together to become one....... I'd hardly call the heat used in soldering extreme.Welding, yes, is the process of joining two pieces of metal by melting and fusing them together.Soldering is the process of joining two pieces of metal without melting them, but instead melting a third filler metal that forms a mechanical and electrical connection, while the two original pieces still remain easily separable.I see a distinct difference. Hey hows Estonia this time of year? I've been there a few times a few years back..... We just got our first decent snow this winter. It's about -5 outside, I reckon, and I hope it'll get colder still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jamesjohnsonde Posted February 15, 2008 Members Share Posted February 15, 2008 Ok, so to set you guys straight (because I work in mechanical services and project management at a company that does tons of welding), soldering is not anything close to welding. You have to see welding up close to see how it is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members realtree71 Posted February 15, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 15, 2008 Ok, so to set you guys straight (because I work in mechanical services and project management at a company that does tons of welding), soldering is not anything close to welding. You have to see welding up close to see how it is different. Ok Since you are a Ejimicated Engineer type from the Eastcoast and the other guy is speaking english as a 3rd language (Russian 1st, Estonian 2nd) We simple rednecks from the south call Welding and soldering the same...... for the record when we sweat plumbing joints on copper we also call that welding..... It realy doesnt matter.... We get the idea or the point By the way the above was total ment to bust balls:thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pillimees Posted February 18, 2008 Members Share Posted February 18, 2008 the other guy is speaking english as a 3rd language (Russian 1st, Estonian 2nd) Sir, I say, sir! You have offended me. I demand satisfaction! Pistols at dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members realtree71 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Members Share Posted February 19, 2008 Sir, I say, sir! You have offended me. I demand satisfaction! Pistols at dawn. Ha very good.... Last time I was over there I stay'd right on the baltic Paldski I think was the town...... and of course Tallinn Very friendly people... been there a couple time as well as Latvia..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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