Members Yavin Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 According to this site, I should use a DPDT On-Off-On switch to split the rail pup in my project for it to work as follows: Pos.1 - North Coil alonePos.2 (middle) - full on humbucker both coilsPos.3 - South Coil alone How would I wire up a DPDT switch for this? The diagrams there don't seem to be real clear. My idea is to have a coil split that allows (in position 2 and 4 of the 5-way strat switch) me to select which coil of the rail middle position pickup can be used with the neck or bridge pup respectively. The pickup is a 4 conductor GFS hot rail style. Any ideas? need to know which wires from the pup go where and which on the switch go to ground and the 5 way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Belva Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 I think he's mistaken. You'll need an on/on/on. The center position of an on/off/on is gonna be off now matter how you wire it. Also I don't think you're gonna see enough difference between the north & south to warrant doing this unless you got those SD pups that have the P90 & SC built into one pup. Can't remember their name. If you have these go to SD's site & check their wiring diags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Stricken Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 The P-Rail? http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/progressive/prails_shpr1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yavin Posted August 25, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 Ok so I should be able to use a dpdt on/on for a coilsplit then. I have an extra of those. how would I wire it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoldierStape01 Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 It has been a long time since I posted. But I am back at it again. As for the wiring diagram go to www.guitarelectronics.com and they have a slew of diagrams that should get you what you want. And yes that SD is a P-Rail and it is amazing!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoldierStape01 Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 And while im here not to get off the subject of your original thread, SD has officially released again.. the switching humbucker pup mounts.... Check them out.... So many possibilities.... http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/triple-shot/triple_shot_swi/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Belva Posted August 25, 2009 Members Share Posted August 25, 2009 The P-Rail?http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/progressive/prails_shpr1/ That's the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wartoxin Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 I think the on off on is correct. the "center" of the pickup is shorted to ground on position 1, not shorted on 2, and shorted to the hot/signal wire on 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoldierStape01 Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 I agree with wartoxin on that. I believe for a normal application; ie. a typical 2 pup with a 3-way switch you would want the on-on-on but for this custom wiring you would want to go with the on-off-on for the way it is hardwired internally.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yavin Posted August 26, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 I agree with wartoxin on that. I believe for a normal application; ie. a typical 2 pup with a 3-way switch you would want the on-on-on but for this custom wiring you would want to go with the on-off-on for the way it is hardwired internally.... Awesome, but how do I do it? No one seems to show a good diagram with only a single humbucker and a 3 way switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoldierStape01 Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 This is the first one that I found:http://www.guitarelectronics.com/product/WD1H11_03/Guitar_Wiring_Diagram_1_Humbucker1_Volume1_Humbucker1_Volume1_ToneNorth_CoilHumbuckerSouth_Coil.html It should get you in the right direction. I don't know what else you have wired in for controls and such. If you expand further I can possibly right you out a full one for you application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yavin Posted August 26, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 Thanks soldier. I missed that link somehow in looking over the messages. That is exactly what I needed. I am wiring that up for coil split in the middle then jumping that off to make a mid + bridge series/parallel circuit mod as well. That gives me LOADS of options. Basic schematic for series/parallel here. N coil mid onlyhumbucker mid onlyS coil mid only All the above with the bridge in seriesAll the above with the bridge in parallel If anyone has a better idea let me know. I have a spare hole in the PG I was sent so any mod using a mini-toggle is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoldierStape01 Posted August 26, 2009 Members Share Posted August 26, 2009 Well not that I'm back to actively following the forums and posting again.... Always here to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Belva Posted August 28, 2009 Members Share Posted August 28, 2009 Seymour has one under teles if you wish to use a blade type switch. It goes series/split/parallel. And IMO if you're going with a single humbucker & nothing else this will get you the most sound variety. You can use a dpdt on/on/on for that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yavin Posted August 31, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2009 OK here is the setup. I can't seem to make it work. SHS configuration. Humbucker is a rail type four conductor. I used this SSS schematic from seymour Duncan site. Instead of wiring the humbucker straight up, I used this diagram below to three way split the coils: Instead of going from the "North coil" lug to the vol pot, I went to the location on the 5-way switch where the middle would normally be. Everything else is the same. I only get sound from the middle pickup in all positions. Looks to me like the split switch is bypassing the 5 way somehow. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoldierStape01 Posted August 31, 2009 Members Share Posted August 31, 2009 Where are you grounding the 3way switch at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoldierStape01 Posted August 31, 2009 Members Share Posted August 31, 2009 where are you grounding the 3way at? Do you have the bridge ground going into the 3 way switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yavin Posted August 31, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2009 Three way is grounded to the back of the volume pot where the rest of the grounds are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yavin Posted August 31, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 31, 2009 OH, FYI. I opted to do the North/humbucker/south coil split and then a simple kill switch for now, but I will add the kill switch once I have the pups wired right. My main issue is the coil split to the DPDT On/Off/On that is shown above. Any definite way to identify the individual start and Finish for each coil? I grabbed a color coded schematic that appears to match but the rail pup is not very well identified... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Yavin Posted September 2, 2009 Author Members Share Posted September 2, 2009 WiredSWords it all up. No sound at all. No where. Any help would be appreciated. I think the 3 way is grounding the whole thing out because I get some buzz when I touch the three way mini switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members snarph Posted September 3, 2009 Members Share Posted September 3, 2009 WiredSWords it all up. No sound at all. No where. Any help would be appreciated. I think the 3 way is grounding the whole thing out because I get some buzz when I touch the three way mini switch. try one of these http://www.dimarzio.com/media/diagrams/4Conductor.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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