FMR Audio RNC and RNLA for stereo sum

I'd like to use the RNC and the RNLA for the stereo sum of my mixes. to achieve control and a bit of loudness. what order would you choose?

i thought to do it like this: first the RNC with 25:1, fastest attack and release, gain reduction 1-2 dB to achieve limiting, than the RNLA for compression and a bit of coloring with gain reduction 1-2 dB, ratio 1,5:1, middle attack and release, to achieve some glue.

your opinion?

Try it and see how you like it. :shrug: Could sound great; could sound awful. No way to tell until you try.

wrong order ... i meant: first the RNC with compression, than the RNLA with limiting.

I have no idea how it would sound, but I'm a fine of using two compressors instead of one to achieve a more "natural" (less artifacts, in other words) sound rather than one compressor working "harder". I also like both of those compressors, so you should be able to get something that you like through some experimentation.

I'd try "flipping" that order - RNLA for compression and color, followed by the RNC in SuperNice mode, but there's no reason not to try both and see what sounds best to you.

You can (and should) try whatever you want of course, but the problem with this is that in supernice mode, the RNC won't function as a limiter (if that's what you want). It's way too slow.

Just try a bunch of different combinations. It'll be different for every song you use it on, but after a while you may find something that works best for you.

Personally, the only compressors I use on the master are a multiband (Voxengo Soniformer actually, so more like 'dynamic EQ') and a brickwall limiter (as transparent as possible) for loudness. Neither achieves a traditional 'compressed' sound, because I don't think that sounds good on the master (I have tried a handful compressors though, including my RNC).

Perhaps that's right, but with the combination of the two compressors working in tandem - the SuperNice mode being essentially three compressors in series on top of that - it's quite possible that you could achieve ratios of 10:1 anyway, which is what limiting technically is. And regardless of whether it is 8:1 or 12:1 or whatever, the most important part in the end is whether it sounds the best for the music.

I always used the RNLA on drum bus and the RNC on the 2 Bus in super nice mode.

RNLA is pretty colored.

I'm not sure I'd use either for a brickwall limiter, especially the RNC. I'd just use them together and get the mix so it lives in a decent dynamic range and then let the mastering folks use their gear to actually master it.

Well, there's that. I don't prefer to, although the RNC in the past has made a perfectly serviceable limiter in SuperNice mode when you simply set the ratio above 10:1. It sounds quite good doing that.