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my band "tangerine" played new york twice in january and my singer/guitarist got this email from the luna lounge about possible new policies that may /or will be enforced in new york . that could really effect the music scene out there .. i just thought any band playing out there,or planning to play new york may want to see this ..

 

here's the info..

 

January 30, 2004 -- BAR

and nightclub owners are in an uproar over a

proposal that would require a "nightlife license" to stay open after 1 a.m.

City Consumer Affairs Commissioner Gretchen Dykstra is pushing a plan that

would require a special two-year license for any nightspot with a capacity

of 75 or more where the music would be 90 decibels or higher.

A place would be padlocked for up to 10 days after three noise or other

license violations, and would have its license revoked if it was "indicted"

for any two of the following: homicide, assault, rape or attempted rape,

weapons possession, unlicensed sale of liquor, sale of liquor to minors,

overcapacity, disabled sprinkler systems or two Consumer Affairs padlocks.

Nightspots would also be slapped with violations for failing to sweep the

sidewalk and 18 inches of adjacent street by 6 a.m. the next morning.

David Rabin, president of the New York Nightlife Assn. and co-owner of

Lotus, says Dykstra's plan would let the city effectively shut bars and

nightclubs down at 1 a.m.

"This bill will end up closing New York at 1 a.m.," Rabin warned. "It's no

longer going to be the city that never sleeps. We're united on this -

everyone from the little bars to the biggest nightclubs. The best-run bar in

the entire universe could not stay open under the conditions in this

proposal."

 

 

truly amazing eh ?? just figured i'd share this info. i was emailed with some of you guys,and gals on here ...

 

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Hadn't heard that, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Bars and bands won't magically disappear if this goes through. Looks to me like it's just a ploy for the city to collect more cash by selling an additional 'license'.

 

One unique thing about New York is that the population lives in the same place as the resturaunts, stores, bars, and businesses. Unlike many other cities where zoning laws keep residential areas separated from business areas, New York City has everything mixed together. This makes for some interesting situations.

 

First, neighborhood groups become very powerful and will battle with certain businesses that they don't want in their neighborhood. If you live on a quiet block and then a raucous club opens up and you've got noise going all night, people on the streets, and other issues, neighborhoods will often band together to try to get places shut down...frankly I can't blame them.

 

Another interesting thing is the way people tend to take care of their neighborhoods in many cases. For example, I was in the city after the Rodney King verdict was announced and the riots broke out in LA. In New York, many businesses sent people home early because they anticiapated similar riots in the city. While there was SOME rioting, in New York, it was very minor. The difference, IMHO, was that in LA, people got in their cars and went 'to the riot' and looted and burned down stores in places like strip malls and shopping areas. In New York, if you looted and burned down the local stereo store, you would also be setting fire to the apartments above the store. Nobody wants to burn down their own home, so you didn't see the same level of violence and destruction in New York as you did in LA.

 

Anyway, the bar owners will cry about this, but in the end, you'll still be able to go out to a bar and hear a band in New York for the forseeable future. Bar owners squawked about the smoking ban when it went into effect, yet I still see plenty of people stumbling drunk out of bars on Saturday night. Life goes on.

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Originally posted by Liverneck

I'm suprised they didn't pass that law in the name of the 'Patriot Act'.

I make it out to NY a few times a year and it's expensive enough just to get food, gas and cigs. Now drink prices at the bars and clubs will probably increase.
:eek:

 

yeah i here ya' my first time i was in new york was last month (actually was there twice that month for gigs with my band ) but wow what a price difference from pa. .. the band ordered drinks and the total for 4 drinks was like $26.00 ouch that hurts man ' plus the 7 hr. trip from pa. gets a little pricey too ... i hope they don't plan on raising the drink prices too much more than they allready are or that may mean that many more people not coming out to the shows . ever since the smoking ban hit the bars out there it just seems like alot of people don't go out now . i guess i figured the music scene was alot more jumping out there ,but this could sadly even keep more people out of the gigs for bands ... call it politics i guess .... we'll be playing a few more shows out that way in the months to come.. hopefully all this crap will not hinder the crowd turnouts at our shows ..

 

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Originally posted by otacon28



yeah i here ya' my first time i was in new york was last month (actually was there twice that month for gigs with my band ) but wow what a price difference from pa. .. the band ordered drinks and the total for 4 drinks was like $26.00 ouch that hurts man ' plus the 7 hr. trip from pa. gets a little pricey too ... i hope they don't plan on raising the drink prices too much more than they allready are or that may mean that many more people not coming out to the shows . ever since the smoking ban hit the bars out there it just seems like alot of people don't go out now . i guess i figured the music scene was alot more jumping out there ,but this could sadly even keep more people out of the gigs for bands ... call it politics i guess .... we'll be playing a few more shows out that way in the months to come.. hopefully all this crap will not hinder the crowd turnouts at our shows ..


sam(otacon28)

 

 

This is why man created flasks.

 

We have a smoking ban in Fort Collins right now. You still have to wait in line outside to get into the more popular bars...I really don't think it has hurt business too much around here.

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Yeah, the NY bar business is bouncing back a little bit. For a while the guys who REALLY got hurt by the smoking ban were the bars in New York, but right along either the Connecticut or New Jersey state lines. The town I live in borders Connecticut, and since there wasn't a smoking ban in Connecticut, patrons only needed to drive a mile to the bars where they could smoke and drink. Needless to say, the NY bars were getting killed. Now, there are smoking bans going into effect in some of the CT and NJ towns, so the bar business is starting to come back. Frankly it doesn't bother me....it's nice to come back from a gig and not feel like I need to burn my clothes and stand in the shower for an hour. Kinda nice to just flop right into the sack instead.

 

Drink prices are crazy in New York, but that's life. It's always been that way, and it'll always be that way. I remember when I moved to the city trying to be an 'economical drunk'. My friends and I would usually start the night boozing at somebody's apartment to get a nice 'base buzz' going. We also knew a place where you could get $5 pitchers of beer, and usually the beer wouldn't give you the {censored}s until the next morning....nice. Finally, there was a place that had nickel beers from 7-9pm every Friday night...we'd go in there to get a jump on the evening (nickel for the beer, a couple bucks per beer tip to actually get the bartender to serve you...still a deal by NY standards :p ).

 

I remember the first time I went back to where I went to college after living in New York and buying pitchers of beer for under $5. I think I bought EVERYBODY's beers that night and still felt like it was a comparatively cheap evening.

 

At least if you're in the band, you can usually get free beers for the night if you don't abuse the priviledge.

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