Members goodbye,beautiful Posted September 11, 2005 Members Share Posted September 11, 2005 I used to be a drummer and I wanna play again...at least for my studio projects. I went to my girlfriends best buy and saw this:http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...d=1099387264934Its an electronic drum set. Looks kinda cheesey, but would it do what I want it to do? I need to have control over the individual drum pads, be able to add on some more, and be able to use it to record. Anyone? Options? Any help in this subject would be appreciated. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Zeromus-X Posted September 11, 2005 Members Share Posted September 11, 2005 Page is unavailable. EDIT: There's a USB drum kit on Amazon that I've never been able to find reviews for. You might want to give that a shot if you're feeling adventurous, since it's a lot cheaper than this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rca Posted September 11, 2005 Members Share Posted September 11, 2005 Originally posted by goodbye,beautiful I used to be a drummer and I wanna play again...at least for my studio projects. ...Looks kinda cheesey, but would it do what I want it to do? I need to have control over the individual drum pads, be able to add on some more, and be able to use it to record. Anyone? Options? Any help in this subject would be appreciated. Thank you. 1. The link doesn't work so I searched and found an ION drumset for $299. Assuming that is what you are talking about, it only has one RCA out. If you want to record each pad (snare, kick, ride, crash, tom, etc.) on a separate track, you won't be able to do more than two pads at a time at the most. As for how well the pads actually work and how long they will last before breaking, who knows. 2. With any electronic drumset, you can always add on by adding another brain and pads if you reach the capacity of the first brain.3. I can't answer you question about controll of the pads, even if I knew what parameters you are talking about. Control over the pad physically, or control over the sample being triggered? Even if you told me, the website description did not reveal any information for either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocketeer Posted September 12, 2005 Members Share Posted September 12, 2005 Its definitely the ION drumset he was talking about - I fixed the URL with the product number at the end. No point pasting the amended url again as it probably will get truncated. Anyway, the set looks really, really low cost and low quality. http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/6971/6971725_ra.jpg You're taking a risk buying it. My advice would be to scout out for 2nd hand yamaha/roland or something like that. To me the newer roland stuff is astronomically priced ($1000 AU for a roland kick pad? hah!) but once you get that generation before its not too bad - and probably far better than taking a risk on some {censored}ty noname kit that at the very least will not be good for recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goodbye,beautiful Posted September 12, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 12, 2005 Well is anyone selling a used electronic kit for under 500? Or maybe a reasonably priced module so I can build my own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hangwire Posted September 12, 2005 Members Share Posted September 12, 2005 I am selling my regular drumset and it sure is under $500! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scarecrowbob Posted September 12, 2005 Members Share Posted September 12, 2005 Originally posted by goodbye,beautiful Well is anyone selling a used electronic kit for under 500? Or maybe a reasonably priced module so I can build my own? I am having good luck with a roland octapad I (~180) + roland XP10 (~110) + a miniKick(~50), and a kick pedal, snare stand, drum throne... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goodbye,beautiful Posted September 13, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 13, 2005 Originally posted by scarecrowbob I am having good luck with a roland octapad I (~180) + roland XP10 (~110) + a miniKick(~50), and a kick pedal, snare stand, drum throne... I found a ROLAND PAD 8 OCTAPAD. It looks like it has inputs and such. Whats the xp10 for? I am looking to build a more traditional drum set. Is the octaapad a drum brain too? Can I add drum pads(with triggers) to it? The auction ends in a bit so I need answers. Sorry I am so clueless about this, but this is all new and exciting to me. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hthomp Posted September 13, 2005 Members Share Posted September 13, 2005 Funny that you should mention... I have an ION kit that is similar to the one pictured in the link.The one pictured appears to have a more advanced "controller".(Mine does not have any type of display or knobs....just jacks). It arrived just yesterday, and I just set it up and started monkeying around with it last night. For grins and giggles, I picked it up for about $75 with shipping off of eBay to play around with, as I am a guitar player. I was actually surprised that it wasn't as flimsy as I imagined that it would be. For what I had in mind, which was mixing the sound with my iPod and accompanying some tunes, it works better than I expected...enough to keep me up dang near all night, and I can't WAIT to get ahold of it later. However, I can see where it will fall really short, if I get into this as much as I think I'm going to. But for $75, it was definitely worth it. Now, I'm going to be on the lookout for a decent quality, preowned electronic kit. You drummer-folk might be onto something. Ha! Harley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocketeer Posted September 14, 2005 Members Share Posted September 14, 2005 Originally posted by hthomp Funny that you should mention...I have an ION kit that is similar to the one pictured in the link.The one pictured appears to have a more advanced "controller".(Mine does not have any type of display or knobs....just jacks). It arrived just yesterday, and I just set it up and started monkeying around with it last night.For grins and giggles, I picked it up for about $75 with shipping off of eBay to play around with, as I am a guitar player.I was actually surprised that it wasn't as flimsy as I imagined that it would be. For what I had in mind, which was mixing the sound with my iPod and accompanying some tunes, it works better than I expected...enough to keep me up dang near all night, and I can't WAIT to get ahold of it later.However, I can see where it will fall really short, if I get into this as much as I think I'm going to.But for $75, it was definitely worth it. Now, I'm going to be on the lookout for a decent quality, preowned electronic kit.You drummer-folk might be onto something. Ha!Harley I'm interested to know where you think it fall short. Does yours have any midi out capability? That would go quite far to making a very good buy. All you would need is a vst sampler and some samples and you'd probably be laughing. I don't doubt that every pad is 1 zone though. Is the hat pedal just open and closed? Does the cymbol mute if you play and then grab it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scarecrowbob Posted September 14, 2005 Members Share Posted September 14, 2005 Originally posted by goodbye,beautiful I found a ROLAND PAD 8 OCTAPAD. It looks like it has inputs and such. Whats the xp10 for? I am looking to build a more traditional drum set. Is the octaapad a drum brain too? Can I add drum pads(with triggers) to it? The auction ends in a bit so I need answers. Sorry I am so clueless about this, but this is all new and exciting to me. Thanks again! These come up on Ebay all the time; as with anything on Eaby, look at completed auctions and decide how much you should pay before looking at the active auctions. I use the XP10 as a drum sound module (but I also play keyboard). Any sound module will do something similar. If you'll look, the Octapad has no audio out; it only produces MIDI out. The MIDI goes to the sound module, which produces audio, which goes to an amplifier sos I can hear it. You can add 6 or so external triggers to the octapad, and I have a couple of extra ones. In retrospect, I should have gotten the Pad-80 (the Octapad II), as it can produce sounds in and of itself, and I could use it without the XP10. Also, it doesn't do a very good job of controlling highhats; I use two pads, one for open and one for closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocketeer Posted September 14, 2005 Members Share Posted September 14, 2005 Well generally you would have a computer with midi in so you can easily run a sampler with samples keyed to that midi rather than necessarily getting anything physical to do the sounds. I generally use my brain only for practice. A computer with a sampler makes for a lot of fun http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~thman/VST/vst-allinstr.htm Plenty of vsts there that you can have fun with once you have the midi coming in and a host to run the vsts on. The open and closed hihat thing is pretty bogus though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members goodbye,beautiful Posted September 14, 2005 Author Members Share Posted September 14, 2005 Well, I have 500 to spend thus far. Anyone have a cheap electronic kit to sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocketeer Posted September 14, 2005 Members Share Posted September 14, 2005 Why don't you search for electronic drums on ebay? There are loads and loads of decent sets for sale. Lots of name brand sets (yamaha, roland etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members scarecrowbob Posted September 14, 2005 Members Share Posted September 14, 2005 Originally posted by rocketeer Well generally you would have a computer with midi in so you can easily run a sampler with samples keyed to that midi rather than necessarily getting anything physical to do the sounds. I generally use my brain only for practice. A computer with a sampler makes for a lot of funhttp://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~thman/VST/vst-allinstr.htmPlenty of vsts there that you can have fun with once you have the midi coming in and a host to run the vsts on. The open and closed hihat thing is pretty bogus though. I really like to run my MIDI into my computer (so I can edit the recordings and use a really nice sample set). Instead of getting a drum machine, you could just use frutystudio's demo and a nice soundfont with a 35$ USB-MIDI I don't mind the HH thing though, it allows me to play different things in different ways, so it is more of a tradeoff than a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocketeer Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 I use cubase with native instruments battery and a slew of sample cds so no problem there Only trouble is of course I can program drums far better than I can play them. Thats not to say they sound terribly human though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members hthomp Posted September 15, 2005 Members Share Posted September 15, 2005 Originally posted by rocketeer I'm interested to know where you think it fall short. Does yours have any midi out capability? That would go quite far to making a very good buy. All you would need is a vst sampler and some samples and you'd probably be laughing.I don't doubt that every pad is 1 zone though. Is the hat pedal just open and closed?Does the cymbol mute if you play and then grab it? I wish that it did use a MIDI interface, but it is a USB 2.0 interface.It triggers the various sounds, which I believe are in some proprietary format similar to a .wav. But, there are a very limited number of "kits", and I have yet to find out any way to control any type parameters for volume for individual pads, etc. Yes, each pad is 1 zone with the exception of the cymbal, which has a second "zone" in the form of a small button toward the bottom lip on the back side. It functions as a "mute".....fairly well...if you happen to time your hit-grab-pushbutton JUST right. To my ears, the hi-hat pedal doesn't sound much different than the hi-hat pad. I'm still dorking with it, and I will say that it was worth what little I paid for it just for fun. But, since the original post mentioned that they wanted to record with it, I thought that I'd point out that they would most likely find the results pretty "amateur-ish"....YMMV. Harley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocketeer Posted September 16, 2005 Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 Originally posted by hthomp I wish that it did use a MIDI interface, but it is a USB 2.0 interface.It triggers the various sounds, which I believe are in some proprietary format similar to a .wav. But, there are a very limited number of "kits", and I have yet to find out any way to control any type parameters for volume for individual pads, etc.Yes, each pad is 1 zone with the exception of the cymbal, which has a second "zone" in the form of a small button toward the bottom lip on the back side. It functions as a "mute".....fairly well...if you happen to time your hit-grab-pushbutton JUST right.To my ears, the hi-hat pedal doesn't sound much different than the hi-hat pad.I'm still dorking with it, and I will say that it was worth what little I paid for it just for fun. But, since the original post mentioned that they wanted to record with it, I thought that I'd point out that they would most likely find the results pretty "amateur-ish"....YMMV.Harley Are you sure that it is not functioning as a USB Midi device? My keyboards and controllers are USB but its just a connection method and they work perfectly as midi devices with cubase recognising this. Even my dtx kit is listed as a USB device because it is plugged into a USB based control surface. They just come up as two individual usb midi devices. Give it a go, it might work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pljones Posted September 16, 2005 Members Share Posted September 16, 2005 Originally posted by rocketeer Are you sure that it is not functioning as a USB Midi device? My keyboards and controllers are USB but its just a connection method and they work perfectly as midi devices with cubase recognising this. Even my dtx kit is listed as a USB device because it is plugged into a USB based control surface. They just come up as two individual usb midi devices. Give it a go, it might work. The Ion and a couple of other sub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocketeer Posted September 18, 2005 Members Share Posted September 18, 2005 Originally posted by pljones The Ion and a couple of other sub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mind Riot Posted September 18, 2005 Members Share Posted September 18, 2005 Build your own, like I and many others have. http://www.electronicdrums.com It's a pay site, twenty bucks for a year I believe. What you will learn there will allow you to build an electronic set that will do whatever you want it to for prices that are as ludicrously small as Roland's are ludicrously high. You can build an entire five piece e-set for less than the cost of a Roland bass drum pad. And it is not that hard or technical, trust me. They have free plans for their most basic design, check them out and see what you think. If you want to go deeper into this stuff, then you'll need a subscription. By far the best twenty bucks I ever spent on anything musical. Great bunch of guys on there and some of the most knowledgable you'll find anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Seeker of Rock Posted September 18, 2005 Members Share Posted September 18, 2005 I hate to say this, but I tell you the truth. You will get what you pay for. I bought a "demo" Alesis DM Pro kit in 2001 and could not be more happy. Now it cost me $1049 back then, probably a lot cheaper now (harware by Hart Dynamics for Alesis, btw). I have played and heard the TD-3s, TD-6s, even TD-8s and am not impressed. Yamaha the same, though the DTX has a really cool high-hat and "tunable" drums. Depends on how serious you are about your sound, maybe the entry level drums will fit your needs; I am only speaking from my needs. Good luck, man.Seeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rocketeer Posted September 19, 2005 Members Share Posted September 19, 2005 Thats not really saying much considering a vdrums bass pad is something like 900 AU. In other news my Roland KD8 arrives in the next few days. I already have a Yamaha Pad but I have two pedals and soon to be two pads. Double bass incoming. I decided to go this route as my current bass pad has no ability to be used with a standard double pedal. Since I was buying another bass pad anyway I figured two pedals would be cheaper and probably higher quality than one cheap double kick pedal. Anyway, thats the theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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