GG-How Many of You Have Had Enough!

What gives guys/girls? How many of you are actually a little fed up with some of the threads and 'tudes that have been very prevalent around this forum. It's getting a little ridiculous don't you think? We're not all juveniles, although we seem to be heading that way for some reason or other.

I know it's tough to sit back and disagree in a humane tone, but damn guys, none of this should ever be a personal assault.

This forum is turning ugly at times and I don't care for it. If you wanna joke....fine. If you wanna be sarcastic...a little dig never hurt anyone. But do we need to be disrespectful....You tell me! I'm tired of it ...are any of you? :poke:

We have a great thing here guys/girls. It seems now like it's turning into a waste of a perfectly good resource to me...

People are leaving...haven't you noticed?

Agreed!

Hence the creation of DFD!

I agree. I have noticed a vast increase in the vitriol. . .so much so that it threatens to smother the virtue of this place. A great resource wasted on one-upmanship and jr. high spats.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. . .it's easy to aid in the devolution of discourse into the lowest common denominator interaction. .. simpler to bitch and moan and make fun of another than to actually listen to what they have to say. . .you don't have to agree, but there's no need to attack when a simple "I don't agree" will suffice. No need to swing your dick when no one really wants to see it or cares about how big you think it is. . .

Yes....I have! This place does get out of hand at times....ugly is probably the right word. I agree with you Carmine. I don't spend that much time posting here anymore because of the ugly.

WTF ? Any threads in particular?

WTF ? Any threads in particular?

, that's what I was wondering.

I am tired of posters from the open jam coming in and filling this with the junk that they would post... i think that the reason of oj is for people to be stupid, to keep the music in the other forums...

I can tell you from experience that forums are forums. You can't stop people from posting anything. All you can do is react to the posts. With a forum this size, and with so many different groups of people on it at once, it's inevitable. Grin and bear it, ignore it, bitch about it. Whatever you choose. But you won't stop it. Only people that have that power are the admins. I doubt you want people banned around here right and left because they posted an off topic post in one of the forums. When admins start behaving that way, people who aren't even trying to stir up trouble get banned too. And the banning ends up pissing more people off than the OT posts do.

This is how the forum was a few years back or close to it. It was actually worse then than it is now. With Aqualung going off at full tilt and Buckethead and others.

When Tightheads opened up, many people went to it. It allowed for more of the banter back and forth. Had topics just for drums, cymbals, percusion, selling drums etc. It also had areas that were just for off topic discussion and even a "mature" area for talking about films, models, posting milf pics etc.

It was more for the gigging drummer or a drummer who had been playing for awhile and were tired of the "which entry level kit should I get?" threads. It had the 'after the gig, shooting the breeze' feel to it. It also had plenty talk of poilitics, religion, morale which got to be too much for me at times. So I liked to post and talk on here and didn't mind helping newbies out and then I would go onto Tightheads and talk about other stuff or drums or whatever...

So then HC kinda quieted down and became comfortable for general drum talk. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that it allowed for more options. Now that Tightheads is defuct, many of the old Tighthead members (that were still members on here) now come here to post. They are still used to the freeflow banter that drew them to Tighheads. (CHeese, if I have misspoke about what Tightheads was/is please let me know, just giving my opinion)

I liked to talk common sense about drums and life and cut up now and then. So I can see about how the personal cutdowns and silly remarks can be somewhat trite. I also think it may be some from the open forum/ jokers or hackers which is what led to the downfall of Tightheads. Some people only get enjoyment from burning down what others have built up.

To finish, I want to say I have no beef with anybody, nor am I looking for one. Just want to talk with other adult minded people about drums and life. There are many good people on here and we really could do a lot more good if we wanted too.....( Okay my soap box is put away)

These are just my opinions and explaination of why it may seem different around here recently. But then again, I really don't know much.

Tightheads isn't defunct. I still own the domain. In a week or two, I'll be re-opening it.

Why did it go tits up in the first place? I only ask b/c of this observation. . like rats fleeing a sinking ship, the recent spate of bull{censored} didn't really get started until your site failed. I mean no disrespect, but I had to ask.

I understand the concerns but really if you don't like a thread or a post or what ever then just don't respond or don't open the thread especially if you know its going to get on your nerves.

The drum forum is great and there are alot of great people here. But there are also alot of diverse opinions and sometimes outside issues are going to find their way into drum discussions.....that's life. I pesonally don't go out of my way to start a fight, but I'm not going to sit by and let what I consider to be ignorant comments just pass. As nice this forum is (and it IS the nicest one on HC that I've been to), I do see the occasionaly racist, sexist, homophobic, or whatever, comments posted here. I believe that everyone who claims to believe in equality etc...has a DUTY to not let bull{censored} like that go by with out comment. Unfortunately sometimes that ends up getting a bit nasty.

Rats fleeing a sinking ship? disrespect or not Ouch.

I first checked out and joined TH to have an alternate forum to get away from the then recent spate of BS here (circa Feb?)

I'd say the TH clan are far from wet survival rats , and that "finger pointing" would best be served aimed at humanity in general and our methods of social discourse , but then again that is a harder thing to point at.

Thanks Cheese for setting me straight. I remember you saying some thing about it. Sorry I used the wrong term. That was my fault. Hope it gets back up soon! I miss some of the threads on there. Best of luck

This place has always been this way. 90% of tightheads members are regular contributors here [notice my join date and post count]. That's why we are posting here now. In fact when I started TH, I started it while here, and many regular users of the drum forum here followed over because they were sick and tired of the bull{censored} here. And this stuff didn't go on at tightheads. We have a pretty tight core of posters. I can count on my right hand how many trouble makers that were there. And all of them were dealt with. It happens here much more frequently. If you had ever been a regular contributor there, you'd know this. You'd also know why it's been offline for a month.

I can also tell you that I know most if not all of the HC user ID's of tightheads members. They aren't causing trouble. It's your own {censored} seeping in from other parts of the forum.

So to make a point of your bull{censored} rats fleeing a sinking ship analogy [you meant no disrespect, of course] Nobody fled here from anywhere. They were always here.

This is the truth. I too recognize most of the TH guys over here, and it's not them wot's stirring the pot here.

When TH is reborn you'll not see the problem go away; I remember a similar post from Carm from about a year ago complaining of the same thing--when TH was up and running.

Anyone who thinks things got this way here because TH guys have bailed and are now bringing their evil ways here don't know much about either TH or HC. Actually, since the refugees arrived the level of professional input (on actual drum questions) has gone up, not down.

It's not about banning, man, it's just about being civil. That's what sets us apart from the rest. I have personally been reminded by the powers that be, that the so called "drum forum" is one of the few places that has a reputation of being quite admirable for the most part. It's not a "great Chicago fire" type flaming pit. People are people, but I will NOT stand by and just say "well it's just gonna happen" either. Banning is not the answer unless someone goes completely outta control.

I've been here for almost 5000 posts, and I know who the ignighters are. I'm not singling out ANYONE, nor do I care to pretend I have any power. But that also means I won't just sit idly by and not remind everyone of who we really are...a great bunch of people who don't need to get caught up in the crap of the every day rest of the world attitude. We're better than that!!!

You are very much correct DTD...I have posted a thread like this actually about 4 times in almost a year and a half. Can you believe it...seems like you've been listening to the words of this miserable fat balding retrogeezer for a lot longer hasn't it.

It's not gonna be about Tightheads. It's not about the Open Jam. It's not about Drumchat, DrummerTalk or any of the other forums on the big road. It's about being respectful, honest, funny, sincere, sarcastic, and a whole bunch of other positively reinforced attitudes right here in our own little corner of the round globe (mixed metaphor)

Maybe it's the 30/60 day reminder syndrone...or the fact that the threads are either VERY repetitious or at times somewhat lackluster. Whatever it is, if it really gets outta hand, we're gonna (notice I said WE) loose a lot of people for no reason at all...that would be the real down side of the matter...

I don't think you have to worry about losing people, and I don't think it's as dire as you think it is. I've seen much, much worse. And as I said before, this place is where dumb drum questions come to breed. You could lose 20 people here in a week, and gain 20 different people by the next week. The regulars stick around unless it gets really, really bad. Even with aqua here being his old aqua self [he's actually calmed down and matured considerably], there wasn't a mass exodus.

And by the way..just to mention DFD...this is not the solemn group of old farts trying to drag people away from HC. It's not a competition...just like us Skypers. It's just another haven for positive forum talk...another lane on the highway. I am a member, as are a few others...and we'd like to see more. I was called out once before about how I was trying to split up this forum with the GG membership. This could be nothing farther from the truth and we've shown that.

Let's just be proud of who we are here...technicians, musicians, enthusiasts...noobs...pleebs...old farts....(rustlers, cut-throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nit-wits, half-wits, dim-wits, vipers, snipers, con-men, muggers, buggerers, bush-whackers, horn-swagglers, horse-thieves, train-robbers, and Methodists!...I'm sorry...I just had a Blazing Saddle Flashback) and let your/our personality not let it get to be personal!

It's like anywhere really, 10% jerks 90% good people (or something like that).

HC is still a great drummer resource. Hope it stays that way.

Carm, honestly I have no idea what you're talking about.

Sure you've got a million posts, but many of us have been around here FAR longer. This is the way forums are.

This place is civil most of the time, and sometimes it isn't. Learn to enjoy it all.

When people come in with a chip on their shoulder and a bad attitude, you're supposed to {censored} with them. If they can't figure out how to take a jab without exploding, they leave.

And when people come in and start posting threads willy-nilly without considering searching for information, they deserve whatever they get.

It's easy to figure out who the trolls are, and it's really fun watching the less savvy members feed them.

as for bull{censored} comments like that, as an example of civility and tact, notice how I refrain from telling this guy to suck a cheetah's dick.

Sounds profound huh? Just recheckin' in.

IMHO, I think that the main problem with HC is that it all started when Kendall thought back on sleeping with Aidan, and Zach thought back on all the suspicious things Kendall had done recently. Kendall asked about Jenny's birthday, and he asked how her mom was. Zach told her Annie had told him about Kendall taking Aidan home. Zach suddenly kissed her. She told him what she had gone through when he was missing. Kendall admitted that after a month, she gave up on finding him alive. She was convinced he was dead. Crying, she finally forced it out

FU Dude... That's not at all true. This site has always had problems like this. (Actually, more times than not)

I'm "from" TH and have not posted anything "disrespectful" here. (I've been a member here for a long time, I just don't post often because I get sick of reading the same stupidity)

It's like comparing apple to oranges... This site is for elitist and wannabes alike.

Yeah, I post here now and again, lurk some... but how many times do I have to read "Which Double Pedal?"

USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION...

TH is for actual musicians! So go F yourself!