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Somebody helped me out awhile back with a cool link to a site that sells Dream Bliss that had video clips of all the cymbals on it. I lost the link. I can't find the site now, search doesn't come up with it. Does anyone have a link to a site that sells Dream with video clips?

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That's one issue I have with some cymbal makers, bosphorus being one of them I have issues with.

I've watched video tours of the factories and the working conditions suck. The zildjian factory conditions, were much better, healthier for the workers.

 

 

Of course that's a valid point. The degrees of industrial sophistication vary widely in the cymbal industry. Thing is, cymbalsmithing is something of a "black art." Sure, modernized, mechanized factories can make great cymbals, but there is something about the raw fire, sweat and skin cells that fly in those hole-in-the-wall foundries like Agop, Bosphorus, and god only knows how many little dugouts in Wuhan. The pies that come out of those places have a piece of their individual maker in them...a personal stake. Maybe it makes no difference to a lot of players, but it's something that can be sensed. I have an Istanbul Sultan crash among my Zildjians, Paistes, and others, and that thing has a whole different brand of life in it.

 

Just as a point of interest, here's a new brand on the horizon, smith'ed by a break-away from the Turkish foundries, who's also worked for Paiste and Meinl. Check him out. I have a feeling these will be the real thing.

 

http://dirilcymbals.com/

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That's one issue I have with some cymbal makers, bosphorus being one of them I have issues with.

I've watched video tours of the factories and the working conditions suck. The zildjian factory conditions, were much better, healthier for the workers.

 

The tour i saw didn't look any worse than a grimey mechanics garage. I'm willing to bet those guys get paid really well compared to other Turkish jobs. {censored}, how many cymbalsmiths are really out there? They're probably harder to find than a {censored}in mathematician.:lol:

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Of course that's a valid point. The degrees of industrial sophistication vary widely in the cymbal industry. Thing is, cymbalsmithing is something of a "black art." Sure, modernized, mechanized factories can make great cymbals, but there is something about the raw fire, sweat and skin cells that fly in those hole-in-the-wall foundries like Agop, Bosphorus, and god only knows how many little dugouts in Wuhan. The pies that come out of those places have a piece of their individual maker in them...a personal stake. Maybe it makes no difference to a lot of players, but it's something that
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be sensed. I have an Istanbul Sultan crash among my Zildjians, Paistes, and others, and that thing has a whole different brand of life in it.


Just as a point of interest, here's a new brand on the horizon, smith'ed by a break-away from the Turkish foundries, who's also worked for Paiste and Meinl. Check him out. I have a feeling these will be the real thing.


 

 

Great Reply:thu: There's something to be said about well hand crafted cymbals over machined lathed. Despite the working conditions of the these cymbal smiths,I'll be looking the other way when I decide to get some Bosphorus or Meinl cymbals.

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I have much respect for Bosphorus in the way they use the old tools and methods and every cymbal is created from an artist. I've never heard a bad sounding Bosphorus, although I haven't heard a tremendous lot I make it a point to sample when available. In my opinion from every aspect their price fits their product.

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Granted some of those factories aren't as pretty as shiny new factories in the US or Canada, but in the Agop and Bos videos, I see happy, healthy cymbalsmiths making the best pies in the world. I haven't seen any videos of the Chinese factories, but with the amount of industrialization going on over there, they can't be too bad.

 

I didn't realize the Dream's have gone up in price. I'll have to go double check. I didn't realize Front Range Bronze changed their name to Virtual Cymbals. I guess I haven't bought anything recently!

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