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Crash/Ride is there really a cymbal that can do both well?


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Just wondering...I've been looking into putting together a smaller kit for easier transport to small jams and gigs. I was thinking of trying out using 1 less cymbal than I normally use. Maybe a 16 inch crash and a 18 or 20 inch crash/ride. How are the Zildjian crash/rides? Are they more ride or crash? I guess i would rather have more crash..because I don't ride as much.

I would like to stick to Zildjian but I'm open to others if there is a must have crash/ride out there. I've seen a few A and K crash/rides...but no A customs? Is this right?

Any thoughts? thanks in advance!

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Don't go by whether or not a cymbal has "crash/ride" in it's title -- I've seen "crash/rides" that suck for crashing, and plain 'ole "rides" that are awesome at it. Something like a K light ride or an HHX evolution ride would do wonders.

 

Good advice! thanks! So I'll definitely check the lighter rides...

Just wondering, do they have A custom light rides? Or is it just the K line that has all the different thicknesses...

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All you need is to find the right old (50's-70's) Zildjian Avedis pie...18-20 inches, maybe. 18" at 1550-1650 grams would be just about right. I have one, and I will never sell it for anything!!!

 

They are available every day on ebay for about $100 a piece. Buy one, if you don't like it, sell it for what you paid and buy another one. They are great cymbals, much more versatile than a lot of modern ones. I find that the ink logos can be misleading about what a cymbal works best for. You have to LISTEN rather than read the logo, and a lot of people can't get into that mindset.

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All you need is to find the right old (50's-70's) Zildjian Avedis pie...18-20 inches, maybe. 18" at 1550-1650 grams would be just about right. I have one, and I will never sell it for anything!!!


They are available every day on ebay for about $100 a piece. Buy one, if you don't like it, sell it for what you paid and buy another one. They are great cymbals, much more versatile than a lot of modern ones. I find that the ink logos can be misleading about what a cymbal works best for. You have to LISTEN rather than read the logo, and a lot of people can't get into that mindset.

 

 

Thanks for the advice!

Do you use this cymbal as your only ride?

I've often found older cymbals on ebay for a good price..but have been scared to pull the trigger. Anything else I should look for besides the weight?

hollow logo is 70s? or 80s? what does 50s-60s stamp look like? any different than 70s-2000s Zildjian stamp?

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I've been using my Sabian 18" AAX Dark Crash as my only pie, when doing really small gigs...

 

Has a great bell sound, and since I'm not blasting away on it, the ride doesn't get too washed out.

 

and it sounds like a killer crash cymbal because... well because it IS a killer crash cymbal.

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Thanks for the advice!

Do you use this cymbal as your only ride?

I've often found older cymbals on ebay for a good price..but have been scared to pull the trigger. Anything else I should look for besides the weight?

hollow logo is 70s? or 80s? what does 50s-60s stamp look like? any different than 70s-2000s Zildjian stamp?

 

 

I don't use mine as my ONLY ride because I play in a lot of different situations and so I have several cymbals to choose from depending on what I'm playing at the time. I COULD use this as my only ride in certain situations, but I use it most often as a left-side ride in my jazz setup.

 

Here's a great article on the stamp timeline:

http://www.classicdrummer.com/archives/vdmarchives/GearArticles/ZildjianTimeline1.pdf

 

Hollow logos are mid 70's to early 80's -- and I've never really heard one I didn't like.

 

When looking at them on ebay, I'd say look for cymbals in great shape (no keyholing in the center hole, no edge nicks, etc) with the right weight range. It doesn't matter what era cymbal you buy as long as it's in great shape and at the right price. You'll be sure to find something you like. The weights I gave you would be my suggestion, but YMMV -- just try some and pick the best one.

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If you play old school 'combo' stuff - from whence the term arose, any thin Zildjian or Paiste should be fine. Fast forward 20 years and things get very gray. Drumming is louder, do you want a crash that you can play ride on or do you want to ride a crash - like Van Halen etc. ? Who more like crash rides his rides. ? To me technique and touch is gonna have final say on your usage.

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20" or 24" Giant beat. Or a 22" 2002 crash.

 

 

As a general rule, I try not to be too agreeable with any one person (especially one with such a potty mouth), but CEM seems to have the same tastes I do more often than not!

 

The Giant Beats do what you're looking for- they're a soft washy ride, and they crash very nicely. I looked for that elusive crashable/ ride forever and stumbled upon the GB series after seeing Jason McGerr (not sure of the spelling).

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As a general rule, I try not to be too agreeable with any one person (especially one with such a potty mouth), but CEM seems to have the same tastes I do more often than not!


The Giant Beats do what you're looking for- they're a soft washy ride, and they crash very nicely. I looked for that elusive crashable/ ride forever and stumbled upon the GB series after seeing Jason McGerr (not sure of the spelling).

 

Are you gonna wash my mouth out with soap?:lol:

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