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24" or 22" Kick?!?!


Jarick

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I've got them both set up in my room and can't decide!

 

The 22" sounds like a woofer, a real solid tone, very full, quick response. Sounds low pitched.

 

The 24" sounds like a rock kick drum, even lower in pitch with more low end but less of the low end that you hear (if that makes sense), slower response, and a lot more attack.

 

Ideas?

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i used to have a 24. when i got my most recent kit - which was custom built - i opted for a 22, but 20 deep - i didn't like how high i had to set my rack tom.

 

the extra depth, i feel, made up for the smaller size in the tone dept. and i've always felt a 22 had a better attack and response.

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I have both also. Are you useing a ported reso on the 24"? If so maybe try an unported if response is the issue. Secondly, I mike my 24 even during rehersal. I batteled the lingeriing hum after I'd strike it for months. An old buddy whose been playing since the stone age, suggested I to place a sheet over the shell, batter side, put my batter on and finger tight the lugs. Pull the sheet tight all around, and tune as usual. Then CAREFULLY trim the excess. I also placed two felts across the top and bottom of my reso. Problem of the hum solved. The added bonus was I have much better beater response also.

Sounds a little crazy, at least to me, but it works like a charm.

 

Just some thoughts.

Marko

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I have a 24x20 unported and think it responds pretty well. I'd definitely say give it a go with an unported head. I've become a big fan of 24s, I just picked up a case for my kick today, and that case is freakin' ENORMOUS!!!

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I was only discussing the response issue. Tone and bottom end is a personal thing and can be adjusted through tuning to a point to taste.

As far as Jarrick's original post, oddly enough, my 22" and 24" are tuned where they react the exact oppisit as he say's his are, attack, low end........

 

Yea, the cases deal is a whole 'nother thing. I have Protection Racket and it takes two of us to get the kic's in, (I've got two 24"). I can do it myself, but it's with much profanity spueing from my mouth. Seems a neccesity to help it to fit when placing it in the case alone. I think I could actually get inside it and have it zipped up. I'd try it, but they'd never let me out.

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The goofy thing is, I think I might be able to get the 22" to sound like the 24" but not the other way around. When I tighten the 24", I get some funky overtones and it sounds a bit boingy. When I drop it in pitch, it sounds sweet but almost subsonic.

 

I'm going to try loosening the 22" to see if I can get the deeper sound, but I'm really leaning towards the smaller drum. My gut feeling is the higher pitch actually sounds louder because the 24" gets subsonic and I think it would be lost in a full band setting. It sounds killer, but I might be able to replicate the super deep pitch with the 22" while recording by dropping the heads and adding a bit of muffling.

 

Either way, these Pro M's have killer sounding kick drums, way better than most kits I've had and on par with the Starclassic birch.

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Jarick, what would be the point in replicating the low pitch of the 24" with the 22" if you feel the very low end is getting covered up anyway, (assuming you can make the 22" sound like the 24")?

 

If you can't get the uber-lows loud enough to really make a difference, then it won't matter which drum coz neither would be loud enough.

 

Would changing one or more of the heads on either drum help or have you tried that already?

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If you have both then just go with one for a while then change things up. You have the option. Ofrgo for what the gig calls for, if it is a rock gig then 24 a blues or coutr gig 22.

 

OH wait, I have it, 22 on the right 24 on the left doublebassdrummer.gif

 

Nothing but options!

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Mostly I want the kick drum to cut through the mix live, but if I want to record the deeper, lower pitched kick (because I can EQ and adjust volume and what not), I can do that as well.

 

I do need to sell one of them as I need the money for gig bags and other things.

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I hear you LP, but I won't always be able to mic the kick. I really would like to bring both into a band practice situation and see how loud they are...especially in a different room (mine is a little cramped).

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I've got them both set up in my room and can't decide!


The 22" sounds like a woofer, a real solid tone, very full, quick response. Sounds low pitched.


The 24" sounds like a rock kick drum, even lower in pitch with more low end but less of the low end that you hear (if that makes sense), slower response, and a lot more attack.


Ideas?

 

 

Comparing my Saturn's 22 and my Pro-M's 24, I'd take the Saturn's 22.

 

It just "sounds" right...

 

Then again, my M-Birch had a 22, and while it was good, I think the Pro-M's 24 was an improvement. But, there again, I got a lot of compliments on my M-Birch's bass drum sound.

 

Also, the 22 will be more portable and heads are cheaper.

 

Sounds like a glowing endorsement for the 22, but, when it comes to situations where the 24 sounds good, it sounds GREAT. 22 is a kind of all-around...24 is a bit more "specialized" if that makes more sense. Another thing to think of with the 24, it'll be louder, and you'll sort of have to "grow" into it, meaning you develop the muscle to mash it as much as the 22. LOL...

 

 

So, I guess it depends.

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I was only discussing the response issue. Tone and bottom end is a personal thing and can be adjusted through tuning to a point to taste.

As far as Jarrick's original post, oddly enough, my 22" and 24" are tuned where they react the exact oppisit as he say's his are, attack, low end........


Yea, the cases deal is a whole 'nother thing. I have Protection Racket and it takes two of us to get the kic's in, (I've got two 24"). I can do it myself, but it's with much profanity spueing from my mouth. Seems a neccesity to help it to fit when placing it in the case alone. I think I could actually get inside it and have it zipped up. I'd try it, but they'd never let me out.

 

 

Try putting the case on the drum, flipping it over and zipping it up.

 

I do that with all my "greater-depth" drums. Makes it SO much easier!

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I hear you LP, but I won't always be able to mic the kick. I really would like to bring both into a band practice situation and see how loud they are...especially in a different room (mine is a little cramped).

 

 

OK I assumed you'd be micing most of the time. Well then it isn't so simple, coz you have to move more air physically with the beater @ lower freqs than at higher ones to get the same perceived dB level.

 

I get a similar problem at some gigs with my Sonor 3007's - right now I have a great low pitch on my 22", but being unmiced, from my side I can barely hear the beat when the band gets cranking. People say they can hear it fine out front and it sounds good. But I feel like I have to stomp the hell out of it just to get reasonable projection, plus it's hard to tell when to back off for certain tunes, i.e. what the volume is going to be.

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Well re-tuning the 24", for some reason, it was the hands down winner today. Sounded similar to the 22", but with the deeper, lower pitch that I think works well with the big floor toms (16 and 18). The response is a little slower, but I can still play quick enough patterns.

 

I think what I need to keep in mind is that, for the entire time I've been a drummer, I've been after MY sound, not versatility. I rarely tune my drums to sound different for different songs, I might swap out a snare or a cymbal, but I like my snare drums to have a lot of crack and body, I like my toms really resonant and powerful, and I like my bass drum to hit you in the chest and have a "bloom" factor to it.

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It's too bad you have to sell one because having two different sized bass drums on your kit would be pretty sick like DW_Man_TX talked about. If you tune the bigger one to a lower pitch put a single kicker on it and still have a double kicker on the smaller one (or vice versa) it could add a lot of low end color to your sound. If you're more concerned about sound than portability, I'd go with the 24.

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...for the entire time I've been a drummer, I've been after MY sound, not versatility.... I like my snare drums to have a lot of crack and body, I like my toms really resonant and powerful, and I like my bass drum to hit you in the chest and have a "bloom" factor to it.

 

Wait a minute Jarick. Didn't you know you can have all that great ball-bustin' rock sound with a mere 16x12 kick, a 12" tom, and a piccolo?!! :eek: 2 pies + hats and you're good to go.

 

That's your prob right there man...you're working too hard :idea: You need to quit fawkin around with those whompin kicks & big ass FT's and get yourself a lazy-man's kit. Yep. ;)

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Well after my $2500 Keller kit and it's weak ass bass drum sound, ANYTHING sounds huge, and the Pro M's have a great kick sound :)

 

I did want to see if I could find a 20" kick fusion set, but they were all out :p I'm not a little kick guy though, I know that...although a 24x16 I think would be PERFECT.

 

Funny though, I love a big kick, big rumbling floor toms, but singing mounted toms. Now I just need to win the lottery so I can get some 15" hats, 18" and 20" crashes, and another 22" or 24" ride :D

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Well after my $2500 Keller kit and it's weak ass bass drum sound, ANYTHING sounds huge, and the Pro M's have a great kick sound
:)

I did want to see if I could find a 20" kick fusion set, but they were all out
:p
I'm not a little kick guy though, I know that...although a 24x16 I think would be PERFECT.


Funny though, I love a big kick, big rumbling floor toms, but singing mounted toms. Now I just need to win the lottery so I can get some 15" hats, 18" and 20" crashes, and another 22" or 24" ride
:D

 

I hear ya. :thu:

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