Members boxofrocks Posted November 18, 2009 Members Share Posted November 18, 2009 Hi guys..Got my cymbals today. got the 18" rock beat raw series crash, and the 22 inch rock beat raw series ride. They are hand made in Turkey, they are hand hammered, unlathed, and have a brilliant finish to them.. I've played them a little today, and they don't sound bad, I like them, and the more I play them the better they sound to me, but I could be going def too.. Anyway.. For what I paid, these are great, but one thing bothers me, I found a rough spot on the crash, nothing big just a small spot, after futher examination, it appears as though these cymbals have been plated, a metal coating that gives it the brilliant finish and this rough spot looks to be where it may be a chip in the plating.. I was pissed at first thinking, I got ripped off, even though they sound amazing.. But the more I got to thinking about it, an unlathed dirty cymbal would be really dry, you can only polish it so much, so is it fairly normal practice to plate a cymbal of this style? Seems the only way to make it bright and polish up without lathing and polishing would be to plate it.. So is this normal ya think? For an unlathed brilliant finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eyehearya Posted November 18, 2009 Members Share Posted November 18, 2009 Any pics yet Box? Very curious about how the 22" works out for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxofrocks Posted November 18, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm working on one right now.. Just stuffing my face first.. Got some corn dogs... On sticks even... But yeah the cymbals DO sound good, and play nice, but the brilliant finish thing is bugging me.. I really think these are plated, but can't be sure, I sent an email to the factory see what they say. Pics and video here shortly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eyehearya Posted November 18, 2009 Members Share Posted November 18, 2009 Cooley! enjoy the dogs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxofrocks Posted November 18, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2009 Never mind the question guys, opinions still welcome, but I think I found the answer to my question in this paragraph.. Looks like it's the way it's done for this style of cymbal.. "The first departure from this was the appearance of "bright" or "brilliant" finishes. These are the result of abbrasive polishing. Some metal is removed in the process, but the effect is mainly visual. The oxide layer is removed, and replaced by a metal plating, laquer or a combination of the two to prevent the oxide coat from reforming. Some claim to be able to hear the immediate difference that this polishing makes, others are unconvinced. But certainly it will prevent formation of the patina, which is part of the process by which traditional cymbals mellow with age." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxofrocks Posted November 19, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 Sorry the video quality is so bad.. The audio is the important part anyway.. [YOUTUBE]wtkXllHaiY0[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members faileddrummer Posted November 19, 2009 Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 Love the ride. Don't like the crash as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxofrocks Posted November 19, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 Yea, not sure how I feel about it either.. I mean, it's not bad, but it's a little trashy.. Maybe it's one of those things that grow on ya.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cearleywine Posted November 19, 2009 Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 Nice! I actually like the crash a little more than the ride, it's unique and smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lossforgain Posted November 19, 2009 Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 I like the crash more than the ride, the ride seems a bit thick to me. I also get a little dizzy when your bass drum makes the camera shake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxofrocks Posted November 19, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 I like the crash more than the ride, the ride seems a bit thick to me. I also get a little dizzy when your bass drum makes the camera shake... Ha!Cheap digital cam balanced on top the mic stand that I used for the audio. Hate that camera.. The more I play these things, the more they grow on me. If I see a set of hats for cheap I might pick some up.. I think these sound every bit as good as any other like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eyehearya Posted November 19, 2009 Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 I dig the ride, to my ears it has some Zild K qualities to it. I agree with you that the crash has a certain trashiness but I guarantee I could find a place for it on my kit. Bet it could by made into a sweet stacker too. Thanks for doing the review & being our Turkish Cymbal beta tester, Box! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Longfuse Posted November 19, 2009 Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 I like your playing Box: nice feel to everything you post. Pity you couldn't lay into them, but the Turks sound fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rfdias Posted November 19, 2009 Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 BOR...I think they sound great...better (different than the K). I prefer my rides pingy and low, and big, lower pitched crashes anyways.nice score! bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marko46 Posted November 19, 2009 Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 Hell, I liked 'em both. They have their place. Yea the ride's a bit heavy and dark, but no more than my Nemesis is. So, what'd ya pay Box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxofrocks Posted November 19, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 Like 100 bucks for the crash, 160 for the ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marko46 Posted November 19, 2009 Members Share Posted November 19, 2009 Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxofrocks Posted November 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 I got an email back from Turkish.. This is what they said.. "we give brilliant finish after the hammering process by hand it is not plating. Thank you." But, check this out. Does that not look like plating flaking?... I sent them the same pics.. I know they're used, no warrantee, just want an explanation of whats up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JohnCav Posted November 21, 2009 Members Share Posted November 21, 2009 I like the crash more than the ride personally. A little trashy, but variety is nice. Im not sure what this is in that pic... Free bump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Longfuse Posted November 22, 2009 Members Share Posted November 22, 2009 "we give brilliant finish after the hammering process by hand it is not plating. Thank you." But, check this out. Does that not look like plating flaking?... The guy on the buffing machine probably just missed a bit. Momentary distraction when the lathe operator lost a couple of fingers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted November 22, 2009 Members Share Posted November 22, 2009 If it's brown underneath that means your beating the crap out of it:lol::lol:if it sounds good play it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members boxofrocks Posted November 22, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 22, 2009 If it's brown underneath that means your beating the crap out of it:lol::lol:if it sounds good play it lol.. I been playin them a lot, they play fine. Just getting the info on these things for everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted November 22, 2009 Members Share Posted November 22, 2009 It's cool to get a good deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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