Members Andy315 Posted October 21, 2010 Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 So I'm looking into selling my kit and buying a set of vistalites but, the kick depth has me a little concerned. I'd be doing a 24" kick and Ludiwg only offers it in a 14" depth. I've owned 3 different 24x18 kicks and 24x20 and they were all a little much for me and they felt sluggish. Normally I would just go to a 24x16 and call it a day. My question I guess is what kind of sound am I looking at? I pretty much need a solid rock style kick sound, lots of attack, not a lot of sustain. Help me out please!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cearleywine Posted October 21, 2010 Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 Harder to notice a change in depth compared to a change in diameter. A few inches shorter will just make the resonance a bit shorter, pitch will roughly be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Andy315 Posted October 21, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 Awesome! I have a tendency to over think things so i thought I'd ask here before I drove myself insane haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cearleywine Posted October 21, 2010 Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 ha, yeah. They're nicer to get through a doorway too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kmart Posted October 21, 2010 Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 If I read your initial post correctly...you're concerned about something that by definition will not be an issue. 1) You like lots of attack, not a lot of sustain2) You're looking to buy a Vistalite kit Non-starter of a discussion, even:Vistalites, by the very nature of the shell material, are primarily an 'attack heavy' drum. I will be willing to bet that you'll find yourself tweaking your head choices and tuning to compensate and give the drums MORE tone/sustain and back away from the attack somewhat, in fact. And if you don't...I will strongly recommend that you consider it... Hint from me to you:EVERYBODY wants to put clear heads on Vistalites so that light shines all the way through and they look all purty. They either use clear heads (which give more articulation to the already dominant attack) or Pinstripes (which deaden tone & attack). I suggest considering using coated heads for batters and tuning for tone more than attack; let the shell carry the burden of attack...it will do that anyway. If you use somwehat warmer heads/tuning, in conjunction with the shell, you'll get great big rock sounds from those Vistas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted October 21, 2010 Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 PICS,!!!, you should be happy with that size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Andy315 Posted October 21, 2010 Author Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 Ah no pics yet! This is still a purchase in progress...gotta sell my current kit first! Rest assured though once they're in my possession pics will shortly follow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members zildjian@consol Posted October 21, 2010 Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 Ah no pics yet! This is still a purchase in progress...gotta sell my current kit first! Rest assured though once they're in my possession pics will shortly follow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jarick Posted October 21, 2010 Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 You'd love 24x16. I have no idea why 14 or 20" deep kicks are the only option on a lot of Ludwig kicks now. If I were to get another 24, my preference would be 16, then 14, then 18, then 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members devinw Posted October 21, 2010 Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 I have a 20x14 and a 20x16. I like them both better than the 20x18 that I had. Short kicks FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jarick Posted October 21, 2010 Members Share Posted October 21, 2010 I'm jealous...I wish manufacturers would go back to 16" kicks standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members cearleywine Posted October 22, 2010 Members Share Posted October 22, 2010 I wish 14" was still the standard. I'd actually love to get an old jazzette 12x18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jarick Posted October 22, 2010 Members Share Posted October 22, 2010 The telling bit is to look at the sizes of the kits over at Drum Doctors, who are the guys that rent out the drums used on way too many hit records. Almost all the kick drums are 14" deep, except some of the newer ones which are 16" deep. Almost all the toms are traditional depth (12x8 and 13x9). Almost all the floor toms are square (16x16). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JMR Posted October 23, 2010 Members Share Posted October 23, 2010 If I read your initial post correctly...you're concerned about something that by definition will not be an issue.1) You like lots of attack, not a lot of sustain2) You're looking to buy a Vistalite kitNon-starter of a discussion, even:Vistalites, by the very nature of the shell material, are primarily an 'attack heavy' drum. I will be willing to bet that you'll find yourself tweaking your head choices and tuning to compensate and give the drums MORE tone/sustain and back away from the attack somewhat, in fact. And if you don't...I will strongly recommend that you consider it...Hint from me to you:EVERYBODY wants to put clear heads on Vistalites so that light shines all the way through and they look all purty. They either use clear heads (which give more articulation to the already dominant attack) or Pinstripes (which deaden tone & attack). I suggest considering using coated heads for batters and tuning for tone more than attack; let the shell carry the burden of attack...it will do that anyway. If you use somwehat warmer heads/tuning, in conjunction with the shell, you'll get great big rock sounds from those Vistas. YES I used to have pinstripes on my sonor acryl and I hated the sound, but I thought that it was just how acrylic drums sound. I put Remo Vintage Emperors as the batters and remo clear ambassadors as the resos on the toms and it sounds really, really great now. Still cut through and give a bombastic sound like acrylic does, but now it's warm and produces a more a musical tone overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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