Yes Chinas

I'm looking for a real white noise china.Quick in and out,any brand ,any size dark or bright.any thoughts?

i LOVE my meinl byzance 22". got holes for rivets, too. for higher pitched noise, check out some of the wuhan. the meinl is even, and loud, but very musical. the wu's are straight trash. in a good way.

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I love the Wuhans, but I can't find them near me anymore. They've been replaced by Azgabian (sp?), and you REALLY need to shop with your ears on those. Out of a stack of 5, you may find 1 that's really a good sound.

Try ebay for a wuhan. Look for Vintage Logos store. You can call the guy, I've talked to him once, seemed nice enough. Maybe you could get him to try a few and pick one out for you. The other option is to order a few, as many as you could afford to put on your credit card, and send back what you don't like. They're cheap enough.

I have an 18" I got from MF. Sounded okay, but not totally happy with it. So got a circular drill bit, about 2", and cut 6 holes in it. It sounds better, still not perfect, but it works.

I like 'em fast & dry, too. I used to have a Sabian 18" Fast Chinese. That was probably my favorite china ever. I now use a 16" Wuhan. It's pretty quick & dry.

Id like to add one to my kit......just cant justify the one or two times Id use it during a gig to step towards one.

For short, cutting, accents, I say you cant beat the ZBT 18". Its really amazing for short, trashy, white noise effects, and can be ridden on without much overtone. Cheap as hell too.

I also second the Wuhan opinions.

I find that the nicer, higher end chinas all seem to have much longer decay and dont seem to ride as well. But that is fairly limited experience between only a few Z and Sab models.

Can't stomach the junk ones like Wuhans...just sound terrible to me.

I like the Paiste Twenty Series china...seems for your description you'd like those.

As far as white noise chinas, the meinl gen. x filter chinas are the way to go

[video=youtube;L4rFlCQeGss]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4rFlCQeGss&feature=relmfu

Zildjian China Boy or a Paiste Swish...

It's funny you say that - I was thinking the same thing. Chinas to me should have that "trashy" sound, and the higher end models all seem to try to integrate high-end cymbal making into the process, resulting in more tone, sustain, etc.

While I applaud the process, this results in something less like a true China sound to me and something more like a hybrid China/ crash. I think the Zildjian Oriental may be one of the only higher end Chinas I've personally heard I truly liked in person outside of some of the cheaper stuff.

One of my favorites? Sabian B8 Pro 18" China.

For those trashy syncopated bash rides:

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whats the thing at the far right? I really like the sound of it!

Try the Sabian14" HHX Evolution China. I have one and it is trashy and decays quick,even with the 1" crack it still sounds the same.

Sabian is having their annual VOTE and one of the cymbals is a china with rivets. I'll have to hunt for it, but I heard this China in person and it was awesome. I hope to acquire one.

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Dendy,

That's the CHAOS China!! And it's gotten my vote almost every day. (Though I'm a HUGE fan of the Holy China in general). There is something about the china with rivets that I really dig.

I'm not (however) sure about it in general, as Sabian states that this one is meant to be played "inverted" meaning "not inverted" meaning edge side up. I've never really played a China that way as I fear it will kill my sticks.

That aside, I really like that one too!!

DB

I like Peewee J, good drummer. Check out how he has to turn away from the camera when he hits this thing for the first time. lol

wuhan. the worse it sounds, the better it sounds.

Every drummer should own a wuhan.

Wuhan Chinas? I have several. Bigger is better. The Adjerzarian (sp?) I have several splashes. Cost next to nothing, Had the Guitar center guy bring out about 30-40, I played them till I found a couple that blended really well together. Love them.

I got mine!

Sure...so the can understand clearly what not to buy/play down the road once they decide to get serious.

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I own a 12" Wuhan China that is a KILLER little punch/effect cymbal. I don't use it too often, but when I do it is the perfect combination of trash and punch.

That being said, whenever I use it I am also concerned that more than 1 or 2 solid hits and the thing will fall apart.

DB

Anyone that shopped at GC in the early 2000s likey does. They gave those damn things away with almost every sale of $40+. Thats how I got my 12" baby.