Members GuitarLord Posted December 20, 2010 Members Share Posted December 20, 2010 Hi there, my problem is that some days I can sing easily with good support and belt out notes effectively... But some days I find myself singing with a bit more throat because I just can't support notes good. In those days I try to support notes but it just wont go, and it goes on my throat. Don't know if I can explain that better. I can aim my voice to resonate in soft palate or go for yawn or whatever but it wont work, I still find myself singing from throat... And just next day if I try the same thing I can find my support to be great, and I don't use too much throat But I basically try to sing totally same way both days, and do same things, but one day support is there, the other is not... So how do you control and fix this? I'm not sure if this is valid question and if you get what I mean, but I hope so Tnx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuitarLord Posted December 20, 2010 Author Members Share Posted December 20, 2010 "Belting" is something that only "some" singers can do, day after day/ month after month/year after year, without tiring and/or damaging the voice. 99.99% of singers just don't have the musculature and resilient vocal chords to belt effectively, long term. Some good singers "sound" like they are belting, but they are in fact NOT belting.Despite what others here will tell you, your problems are not caused by insufficient "support" for the voice. The singing voice needs no more support than the speaking voice. To sing well and strongly you don't have to "manipulate" anything, whether it be in your throat or mouth or stomach.Do you know what vocal chord thinning and shortening is? Understanding this, and how it works, is the key for ALL singers who wish to sing with the greatest tone and volume and range with the minimum effort required. It allows ALL singers to effectively sing from their low bass notes, up to their first break (passage) area, then into a full strong head voice. When done properly NOTHING "feels" different in the throat, stomach or mouth, whether you're singing your lowest note or highest note. Keep in mind, when done properly, the resonances in low notes seem to come out of the chest (if you're a bass singer) or throat, and the high notes seem to come out of the top of your head *BUT* these sensations are the RESULT of singing correctly, and not the "cause" of singing correctly - - - - - - in other words you shouldn't manipulate ANYTHING.Anyway, could you please let me know if you are aware of vocal chord thinning and shortening (some people call it vocal chord adduction), and if you've ever done any work on your voice with this. Thanks. Hey Weissey, thanks for the answer... Sorry for misleading, when I said "belting" I didn't mean singing with "belting technique" - "belt it out" was just to mean "sing it out". I know about chord thinning. My technique is now not all that bad, and it suits the style. I usually need a bit more vocal volume for what I sing and I know I sometimes add a bit more "vocal weight" because of that (and maybe it can sometimes be a problem), but I usually sing popular rock music (but still with pretty clear voice, not to raspy), which often needs that. I don't overdo it though... Here is the example of me singing (U2-One), I guess it can help:http://www.box.net/shared/i6xnc2kecy So I guess (?) that vocal thinning is not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YeahDoIt Posted December 20, 2010 Members Share Posted December 20, 2010 I listened to the recording, it does sound like you are straining on the high notes. Are those notes too high for you? I can't tell. Singing high pitch at loud volume is likely the most stressful on your vocal chords. If you reduce volume a little can you sing those high notes better? I don't know about vocal chord adduction but I found this exercise while researching it, maybe it's useful. http://www.airedale-trust.nhs.uk/SpeechTherapy/docs/Vocal%20Cord%20Adduction%20Exercises.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuitarLord Posted December 21, 2010 Author Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Guys, I don't feel like straining in that song even if it may sound like that to you. Those high notes are not easy for me but not in the way of hurting my throat or straining. It really doesn't hurt me to sing that, and I don't feel like straining too much... Weissey, thanks for all the info... I must admit I'm can't agree with you on some things... First I'm not big fan of SLS.. I own Singing Success, which is based on Seth Riggs method, and after using it for a year I found out that it's not that all for me, and I'm much biggest fan of Jaime Vendera, Complete Vocal Technique.. methods. SLS is not all that useful for rock music, they are saying things that "there is no safe way to sing rock" and similar, which I find not truth at all... There are some useful things in SLS which helped me but generally I don't find it useful for anything else but light pop music... Sorry for that Also, you say "The singing voice needs no more support than the speaking voice." I think this is absolutely not truth. You need more support to hit the notes. More support and more breath is not the same. You don't need more breath then when you speak, but I'm pretty sure you need more support sometimes. With "The singing voice needs no more support than the speaking voice." you won't sing anything but pop effectively. You can't sing everything with same amount of support. I might be wrong with some things here but it's based on what I learned, and I don't think I'm rookie in this... not pro, but get some things Thanks, Nikola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators davie Posted December 21, 2010 Moderators Share Posted December 21, 2010 Also, you say "The singing voice needs no more support than the speaking voice." I think this is absolutely not truth. You're right. Singing definitely needs MORE support than speaking. One of the main differences between singing and speech is that in singing you need to engage your muscles more in order to hold back the breath pressure. Whereas in speech, most people just speak using "loose air". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dthraco Posted December 21, 2010 Members Share Posted December 21, 2010 Hi there, my problem is that some days I can sing easily with good support and belt out notes effectively... But some days I find myself singing with a bit more throat because I just can't support notes good. In those days I try to support notes but it just wont go, and it goes on my throat. Don't know if I can explain that better. I can aim my voice to resonate in soft palate or go for yawn or whatever but it wont work, I still find myself singing from throat... And just next day if I try the same thing I can find my support to be great, and I don't use too much throat But I basically try to sing totally same way both days, and do same things, but one day support is there, the other is not... So how do you control and fix this? I'm not sure if this is valid question and if you get what I mean, but I hope so Tnx My guess would be that it's just the normal difference we all experience from one day to another. Just like guitar tone sounds awesome one day, but not so great a day later. Perhaps you are tired the next day, or fully rested, etc. Kinda like singing in the morning vs the evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuitarLord Posted December 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted December 22, 2010 My guess would be that it's just the normal difference we all experience from one day to another. Just like guitar tone sounds awesome one day, but not so great a day later.Perhaps you are tired the next day, or fully rested, etc. Kinda like singing in the morning vs the evening. Yes, it's possible, but I do everything I can to have enough energy for singing every day, so that I can support notes fine... I eat healthy foods, exercise, maintain my vocal cords etc...Therfore I cannot accept that I can support well today, and the other day I have to kill my body to sing :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members GuitarLord Posted December 22, 2010 Author Members Share Posted December 22, 2010 My guess would be that it's just the normal difference we all experience from one day to another. Just like guitar tone sounds awesome one day, but not so great a day later.Perhaps you are tired the next day, or fully rested, etc. Kinda like singing in the morning vs the evening. I'm pretty sure about it. It's basic stuff in singing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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