Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 15, 2010 Members Share Posted November 15, 2010 Any of you do this? I could use a little help. It's basically this:1) start a tone in head voice/falsetto2) gradually increase volume3) allow chest resonance into the tone4) at the outset, you're effectively singing in middle voice (i.e. using the "purity" of the head voice with the resonance/oomph of the chest voice).5) reverse so that you end on a light falsetto note This exercise is supposed to be THE BEST for perfecting middle voice because it goes through all the physical sensations of head/chest/transitional resonance. It's recommended that baritones start this exercise on the "ooo" or the "eee" vowel at G above middle C (i.e. G4). This is one tricky thing!!!!!!!! Whenever I do it, I experience lots of breaks when I bring the chest resonance into the picture, and if by some chance I do do it, it turns out when I bring the chest into the picture, I'm eliminating the head voice register, which is not what's supposed to happen. Bel canto style this exercise is called messa di voce, Vendera has chosed a "new age" term for it: "transcending tone." Kevin Richards has a video on it. I don't think Mr Richards performance is too good (or even correct, since it sounds like he's eliminating the head voice purity when he brings in the chest resonance), but Pavarotti's performance (occurs in the last 2/3 of the clip) is right on (at least for the reverse messa di voce). ztNOBt1-nbw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shadowdusk Posted November 15, 2010 Members Share Posted November 15, 2010 I've tried this, and failed miserably. It's one or the other, falsetto or chest. For a moment, I think I'm getting it but then I realize I just crossed to my chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 16, 2010 this is the holy grail of mix voice exercises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jersey Jack Posted November 16, 2010 Members Share Posted November 16, 2010 Thanks for posting this. I've always thought that mezza di voce is a powerful exercise, but I thought of it strictly in dynamic terms--not in terms of shifting registers. This new twist (for me) is interesting. Do you know of a video (outside of Pavarotti) that presents the exercise correctly? Kevin Richards may not be perfect, but he's still pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 16, 2010 Kevin does a good job going from pianissmo to forte, but from forte to pianissmo is pretty bad because he just switches registers without blending the registers and using mix voice. I spent a long long time looking for other messa di voce videos, and there are only 3 on the net. This guy does it starting at around 1:30. I think this is the best vid of the three in terms of demonstration, but has nothing in terms of technique.tvsJ_NS2Ixs Here's Vendera demonstrating it for all of 3 seconds at 2:02-2:05w_gCQr2z1XI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators davie Posted November 16, 2010 Moderators Share Posted November 16, 2010 Here's a good example. A short clip from an interview in the 80's. [YOUTUBE]wfntrN_Zf_s[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 16, 2010 LOL woman: "Someone told me that 'messa di voce' doesn't exist in the old Italian language"Pavorotti: "She's right"woman: "So what's it called then?"Pavorotti: "Messa di voce" anyway, any pros over here have suggestions on the blending aspects? vendera says that this is where the so-called "zipping up" of the vocal cords occurs, but I don't notice any zipping happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grace_slick Posted November 16, 2010 Members Share Posted November 16, 2010 What, so you're just supposed to pick any note but start in a falsetto type voice, and then increase the volume? I can do this but I can't add any chest feeling still. I'm too high. If I go lower, then it's not falsetto where it starts, it's just soft. DAMMIT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vanessaleemt Posted November 16, 2010 Members Share Posted November 16, 2010 This is interesting! I tried it, it feels like a middle voice, yet a little head voice sounding, so I have no idea whether it's correct These vids make it look sssooo easy when it's so much harder. But I'm adding this to my daily warm up repertoire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grace_slick Posted November 16, 2010 Members Share Posted November 16, 2010 I HAVE no daily warm up repertoire! lol At least you have one!! I found I felt falsetto transition to head voice, but not chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 16, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 16, 2010 This is interesting! I tried it, it feels like a middle voice, yet a little head voice sounding, so I have no idea whether it's correct This is exactly what you're supposed to end with at the finale of the crescendo: a "perfectly tuned" middle voice. You can then adjust the register resonance to make it either more chesty or more heady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 17, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 17, 2010 well i practiced this one a lot today going down a descending scale from g4 to middle C. all i sound like is a pimply-faced teenager going thru puberty with my voice cracking. good thing no one was here. this link isn't too helpful for me but maybe for someone else: http://voicecouncil.com/forum/topic/408/how-to-use-half-full-voicehalf-falsetto/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 17, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 17, 2010 Andy, the guy in the 2nd video sitting next to the piano responded to my comments on the youtube video: One way of answering your question:1. Support. Try to push the air filling your lower lungs smoothly against a point about 3-inches above where the rig-cage comes together at the center of your inside upper chest.2. Voice. Don't let Support involve your throat muscles at all ~ the throat muscles must stay nice & relaxed.3. Sing. Start the tone buzzing there at the chest point (No.1) and KEEP IT THIN as you go up-and-down your range.Now do you feel more natural transitions between chest and head tones? Will have to try this out. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grace_slick Posted November 17, 2010 Members Share Posted November 17, 2010 HOW do you get the buzzing in your chest though, in the first place!? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WaterMoc Posted November 17, 2010 Members Share Posted November 17, 2010 I can't do it either way without a bad dip in pitch at my break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 17, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 17, 2010 I can't do it either way without a bad dip in pitch at my break. thats because you're not blending the registers, you're just switching from head/falsetto to chest registers. you've got to blend them. the next step after you have the pitch dip is the voice crack. You should feel your voice crack like a kid going through puberty. After that you can work on the musculature to smooth out those cracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 17, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 17, 2010 HOW do you get the buzzing in your chest though, in the first place!? lol that's just chest resonance. when you put your hand on your chest, do you feel vibrations when you're singing in chest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members WaterMoc Posted November 18, 2010 Members Share Posted November 18, 2010 thats because you're not blending the registers, you're just switching from head/falsetto to chest registers. you've got to blend them. Actually I hear the same kind of dip at 3:17 in the video you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2010 Actually I hear the same kind of dip at 3:17 in the video you posted. use the pavorotti one (that one also has females doing it to) as your guide, not the kevin richards one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members grace_slick Posted November 18, 2010 Members Share Posted November 18, 2010 that's just chest resonance. when you put your hand on your chest, do you feel vibrations when you're singing in chest? Nope. I feel nothing below the very bottom of my throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members staticsound Posted November 18, 2010 Members Share Posted November 18, 2010 This exercise is the mother of all exercises...and a b*tch to do correctly! It's one of the main 3 exercises in Jamie Vendera's "Raise Your Voice" system. I actually had a Skype lesson w/Jamie yesterday, very cool dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jvardon Posted November 18, 2010 Members Share Posted November 18, 2010 I feel like I'm kinda shouting a bit when I try to mix in chest. It gets a little strained and I can feel the little vocal agility I have being cuffed and shackled into an almost vegetable state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2010 I feel like I'm kinda shouting a bit when I try to mix in chest. It gets a little strained and I can feel the little vocal agility I have being cuffed and shackled into an almost vegetable state. that's because you're belting, not shouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DukeOfBoom Posted November 18, 2010 Author Members Share Posted November 18, 2010 This exercise is the mother of all exercises...and a b*tch to do correctly! It's one of the main 3 exercises in Jamie Vendera's "Raise Your Voice" system. I actually had a Skype lesson w/Jamie yesterday, very cool dude. what happened in the lesson with Vendera? Did you guys go over the messa di voce? Did he provide any tips? Did Vendera tell you anything that lit a lightbulb for you during the lesson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jvardon Posted November 18, 2010 Members Share Posted November 18, 2010 Are there any other exercises that help find the mix since I'm just belting on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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