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  1. I would agree with all the above. Plus I would get the guy to set up the set as well, just arranged where you can hit everything, Bearing edges, stands, pedals etc. Make sure it all works, no stripped out stands, lugs, etc. and to make sure you like the sound. MANY times used sets come with decades old heads and can sound dull, but at least hitting the drums, sitting on the throne etc, will give you a good idea of the set. Like test driving a car, take it for a spin! Hope this helps!

  2. So you have a hi hat stand for your hi-hats??? If you have a hi-hat stand with hi-hat cymbals on it AND a snare set for brushes with good results, I would next get a good used kick or bass with a decent bass pedal. Learning one thing at a time is fine, BUT to get any better, you need to throw caution to the wind and start practicing Bass,Snare and Hats together and let yourself make mistakes and just "Follow the beat" until it feels natural or better! The one thing at a time is nice, but to really get better, I feel getting used to playing all the different aspects will help most overall. Here is what you can do with just snare, bass, hats!! and two arms and hands!

  3. Well, with PDP also known as "Pacific Drum Productions"? I don't know near as much. They were developed by DW (Drummers Workshop) who used to only make high end custom sets, and to quote from DW's site on their history : "To accommodate an increasing need for space, DW moved to its current facility in Oxnard, Calif., in 2000. That same year, DW created a new line of drums called Pacific Drums and Percussion to meet the demand for entry to mid-level players. The new line still uses some custom techniques, but primarily uses computerized machinery to cut costs and reduce steps to create high-quality drums in large quantities."

     

    (cont.) "DW moved most production of Pacific drums to a DW-run factory in Ensenada, Mexico, in 2002. Pacific Drums have now made DW's innovation and quality available to a larger market, while still maintaining the reputation of DW drums as high-end unique instruments.

    "While Pacific kits are high-quality, they're not high-priced because they're not custom," Don says. "With Pacific, you're not so much selling high-end features, as much as you're selling the opportunity for a person to get into playing drums no matter what their ability level."

     

    So PDP are good decent sets for the money. Evans heads are good and B8's were and are Sabian's basic entry level cymbals: It doesn't say what kind of Zildjian's they were replaced with so I can't say about them. All these pics seem to look like they are set up in the same type of house? Where are you located?? Do all the houses look the same there?? Just wondering why none of these sets are indoors or in a studio??

     

    Overall, I think with ANY of these sets, you will be just fine. You never mentioned what type of music that you're wanting to play so I can't say why one set might fit you more than another. You might check the web and look for the history on the drum makers or see reviews from buyers of these sets. Hope this helps and good luck drumming!

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  4. The Green Fade Yamaha Stage Custom is a decent looking set. With the YESS mounts on the toms (the tom rod does not go through the shell and the mounts are on the side of the toms means that it's after 2002ish when these were made). The Green "Fade" finish didn't come out until later on?? So I think the set may be newer than that?? Also pre-2002 Stage Custom badges (The placard on the side of the drum) is more square. If you do look at this set and see "Birch" under the Stage Custom name, then the set is even newer than that, like 2006 or 2007 or maybe newer?? The heads are okay, the tom heads look old and it looks like he had a big piece of tape on the floor tom? But they should sound okay? the heads can washed with a wet towel and then dried to look better.

     

    The Cymbals are Zildjian but what Series Zildjian's I can't tell. IF they are A's, K's, Z's or even A Customs that would be nice. Schimatar (spelled wrong) used to be their entry level cymbals and can only get one sound out of them. On any cymbals, check the edges and the bell (center hole) for cracks or chips and play them if you can to see if they are decent enough for you. The snare I'm not sure about, but if it's a Yamaha it is most likely a "Steel" snare which is a decent snare. The nice thing about the snare is that it's a 10 lug snare meaning it can be more fine-tuned for your needs, I would also turn the snare over to make sure the snares themselves are not bent, loose and mounted correctly. Also try throwing the snare on and off. The snare stand looks like a Yamaha, the Hi Hat and Cymbal stands look like Pearls. If I had to guess? I would says he bought the drums only (shell pack) in around 2005-2007?? (Maybe??) and then added a Pearl Hardware pack (stands and bass pedal) to go with it??

     

    Bottom line: The drums (shells only) were around $700-800 New, The stands all together were around $200 new?? Maybe with the Bass Pedal $300 (The crash stand is not a boom) Assuming the Zildjian's are Series A or better, than around $500-700 for the cymbals?? So that would be around $1800 for it all on the high end since you said drum sets were high where you lived. Normally the most used value on sets is "Roughly" half what you spent for a new set, so that would put it all at around $900 So $1100 is kinda high, but maybe he's willing to come down a little bit on price for any wear and tear on the set?? (The shells LOOK really good) The toms look more like they're "fusion" sizes so it should be great for all around music styles?

     

    The seat (Throne) looks like a $30 old school seat. Today, even the cheap decent thrones are at around $60. If you weight a lot or you're hard on your seats like I am, you might get a better one and the really nice ones can run about $100. If it sounds like it looks in the pics, I would think getting it for $1,000 would be Okay, Getting it for $900 would be good, getting it for $800 or lower would be great!! I think with a little cleaning and tuning, it could be a nice set, great with some newer heads, better seat, tuning and cleaning. Assuming the cymbals, snare and such are at least decent. Hope this helps!!! -Twosticks ;-)

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  5. I will agree with what Dendy is saying: Anymore, it seems that most known name brands make decent sets. I like all the brands here, but putting a $500 set against a $1000 set is hard to compare. I would have to put a shout out for the Yamaha Stage Custom: Although I couldn't find the pic of them. The older Customs have inner plys of Phillipine Falkata? wood and outer layer of Birch. They sound really nice and hold up great. The only thing I've really noticed about Yamaha is that you cannot overtighten the tom mount balls too much as this makes them loose over time.

     

    With any set, upgrading the heads or choosing the heads that sound best to you, or for your style of playing, can make all the difference. Also with ANY used set, I would try them out in person if I could, make sure all the stuff works (No striped out stands, missing or damaged lugs, etc) plus the bearing edges (the edge of the shell that the drum head actually sit on) is smooth and true. This isn't as much as an issue as it was 35-40 years ago but is nice to check. Plus where I live it's fairly easy to find PDP, Pearl or Yamaha parts or add ons. Not so much here for Mapex although most Mapex sets I've seen are nice as well.

     

    Also later on down the road, I would advise to upgrade the cymbals as well, at least the hats/ride/ and at least one crash. I'm not saying only the most expensive cymbals are the best, I'm saying that having cymbals that sound like the ones you hear in your mind are usually found to be in the medium to upper tier range of whichever brand. Overall, good heads (With proper tuning), decent cymbals and maybe a good bass pedal can make MOST sets sound really good and fun to play! Hope this helps!!

  6. Like shown on the first post, Brasso or Zildjian cymbal cleaner works fine. I would have like 3 pads or towels handy: 1)scrubber towel, 2) wiper towel and 3) a very clean towel for the final polish/buff towel. When you apply the cleaner, run it into the grooves and wipe it out the same way. Use around logos or place tape over your logos to save them. Using cleaner on the logos will erase them. I rarely clean mine, but over time, with a lot of gunk and build up, it can dull the sound, so, even with a mild cleaning, you should get a brighter/slightly louder sound out of your cymbals. Hope this helps!!

  7. Dendy is correct. I am way sorry if I came off harsh. Although I know of Ronnie Tutt and love his drumming with and w/o Elvis. Was a big influence on me as well. I didn't realize that you had already done your research and knew the background of the now vintage Ludwigs.

     

    My point was suppose to try and understand what exactly you were asking. Like older Sligerlands, Gretchs, and Ludwig sets like this, they have become collectors kits and can be very hard to find original kits or parts making them very possibly very expensive.

     

    I was assuming that you were wanting that "exact" type of kit to get that certain sound. So I thought that if it was the sound that you were looking for, then some newer or easier to find sets could be found for less money.

     

    Now that I know that this is your dream kit and have already done your research, I say way to go and hope you can find all the parts you need to complete it. I don't know the best way to go about it?? either search all over E-bay, Craiglist and such for the pieces?? order a replica type set direct from Ludwig? or have a custom builder build you set that is close to it?? With the drums, hardware, cymbals, etc. I would say that you could be looking at $5,000 plus??? Good luck my friend and hope you get your dream kit!! Truly, TwoSticks

  8. Mikeo - Craig Anderton was on that 70's Cruise and has a story that will be in one of our upcoming newsletters (if you guys don't get Make Better Music, our bi-weekly newsletter, please subscribe in the upper right corner of the site). It was a tremendous cruise.

     

    As for Sib Hashian dying on stage - it's not a bad way to go when your time comes.

     

    Most people don't realize that Boston wasn't a band until after the first album was written and recorded and all parts played by Schultz. After he realized it was going to be a hit, he had to scramble and form a band.

     

    And one of my favs of "my" (and your) Era.

     

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    Hated to hear this! I remember woodshedding back when and trying to learn the drums parts. I always wondered if the drums you hear on the record are they ones that Schultz played?? He always seemed more like a guitarist to me. I thought Sib re-recorded the drum parts? I mean if Sib played the parts that Shultz originally played, at least on the first album, then that's kinda like Chester Thompson and Genesis. To me Sib was great player and vital part of it all. I hope this makes sense, not putting either one down, just curious on how it all went down??

     

     

     

  9. Nervousness or the jitters? oh yes, all the time, my normal remedy is to to just stare at my hats or one of my drums and watch my stick tips as I focus on the time or the feel of the music. To get lost in the music as it were. BUT I had bad anxiety during tests at college and I don't know if I could take it if music or playing drums were my finals?? That would be too much! In the back of my mind, I remind myself that music and concerts are to have fun! PLUS 9 times out of 10, when I'm watching a concert, I really don't hear the mistakes and I'm just trying to enjoy myself and so I see others doing the same?? LOL

  10. Can I just ask WHY?? I mean, is this the kit you really want or have played on something like this before?? Why Ronnie's kit from these certain years?? What kit of set do you have now?? If you have no drums at all and you are wanting a Vintage top of the line set from 1972-1974, then you are at least talking $1,000's of dollars. Vintage Ludwigs with the old school 3-ply shells with vintage speed king pedals, Deep Supraphonic snare, concert toms in the same sizes and so on??? Is close to like you're looking for a vintage 70's Muscle Car from the early 70's! is a few classic up close shots here of Tutt's set from the stage back when!

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