MrKnobs

Originally Posted by KeysBear Because I dumped it before I got home or my wife would have figured I was in on the party. Rule #1 for a married musician: ANYTHING given to you by a girl at the show goes into the dumpster behind the club ASAP and most definitely not into one of your pockets... Terry D.

Originally Posted by brikus Just bumping this thread to remind everyone it's still alive... Terry...I've re-read the first few episodes of your awesome groupie story, and I was thinking, just a little practical thing : it'd be real cool if you included at the end of each episode the link to the next one... Just an idea... I didn't see this before, it's an excellent idea. (I'm looking at this right now because google pulls it up pretty prominently) Terry D.

I guess I'll play. This is a fairly straightforward song off our new album. I have just one working ear these days (flying accident) so I do what I can. Lost Faith Terry D.

I'm just gonna keep reminding people that ALL sound waves can be represented by a series of sine waves. The argument about not reproducing a 20kHz square wave is specious because a 20kHz square wave contains energy above 20kHz and thus does not disprove Nyquist. Terry D.

Originally Posted by musicchic I want to have all your babies!!! Not even done reading the story! Oh and for the record... I'm not a groupie. That's still possible, as I currently have no babies. Originally Posted by musicchic Yes.. please elaborate. The introduction of the intern in the last segment is meant to surprise and lay the foundation for the next book in the trilogy. The first chapter of the next book will start with the soda can flower, the young woman's attempt at seduction, the dream that almost came true. Then the second chapter will begin building the background on the intern, her older sex addict friend, the conflict between the two women, the confrontation with the old band, etc. Introducing the intern at that point is meant to be jarring before the flashback of where she fits in the puzzle. It's much like how I introduced Gail as the mystery "dry hump" girl in the first chapter of the previous book. Terry D.

Also, at least the first four pages of discussion could have in great parts have benefitted from the mention of the reconstrucion (D/A) filter used. These are the golden item making sure that the reconstructed analog signal is close to a perfect representation of the audible frequencies going into the digitalization. Yes. And by and large, we who record are not in control of those. Those are in the iPods, CD players, car stereos (increasingly supporting USB thumb drives, so not redundant with CD players), computer soundcards, etc. I'd hazard a guess that the large majority of recording brings the sound in through A/D and then it never leaves the digital domain other than to be heard on the studio monitors. Point being, the audience is in control of how good their D/A is, and there's plenty of evidence to show they're not in the least bit picky. Additionally, their speakers, earbuds, and listening environments (car, living room, etc) would probably not benefit perceptually from better D/A. Terry D.

Wow what a great read. I read that over two days here at "work". Some life you've lead. An almost movie-like ending. Bit lucky eh?! Bet you have other great stories to tell. I'm thinking this story is the middle of three, chronologically. The first would begin when I was 16, a completely sheltered shy boy working in a totally nude strip club that was raided every Wednesday by the cops. In the course of just one week, I got drunk, stoned, arrested, saw my first naked woman, and got paid for playing music for the first time. The experiences and abuses I received there over that 9 month period changed me profoundly and affect me to this day. The third part, beginning after the Gail breakup, would be the story of the young woman introduced in the last chapter, the communal house on Timberline Drive, the intense, bitter struggle between her and her best friend Marcie, the suicidal nympho, and my complete abandonment of conventional life for the seedy underside of life. It would include my tours with country artists (definitely need to change the names!), and the mysterious young girl Shiela with the eyes that only tracked together when she was drunk. My eventual redemption and reconciliation with the New Year's Eve girl and subsequent marriage to her would wrap up the book and the set. Terry D. P.S. By the way, my "Tales from the Road" are linked in my sig.

Just how many random people from the Internet need to read your stories before you feel cool? . If I was trying to feel cool, there's plenty of ego fodder in this thread already. All I'm really trying to do is get some sort of realistic estimate of how many people have read it and (optionally) what the average reaction is. That would be useful information for me as I decide what to do next. But if you see it in this light, I'm sure others will too. Nevermind, sorry for offending. Terry D.

I'm looking at some options concerning my groupie story currently. If you can spare a moment, please click the link below and take the poll. Thanks! Groupie Story Poll Terry D.

serves you right for having female friends. No doubt. Terry D.

Oh man. I gave one of my female friends a link to this thread and she's not talking to me now. Terry D.

Actually, Terry, the part after the ellipsis was included just for fun- it was the "So far, this fantasy was too small. I needed to make it larger" that I was really referring to. Whatever bumps the thread. Terry D.

Well, ever late to the party, I just read Mr. Knobs/Terry's facinating story- more than seven years after it was written. Well written, for sure, and it kept me up till after 2 am when I had SWORN I was getting to bed early tonite. I certainly hope no one takes what I say next as disrespect- I assure you, I throughly enjoyed the story, and would not wish to take anything from it or it's author. Thanks! Interesting that he insist it is all true, although the side-story of the chain is a pretty dead giveaway that it is fanciful at best- but more interesting that he can't keep up the ruse entirely. He outs himself with this line: That was a pretty large piece of Chapter 12 indicated by your ellipsis.... The fantasy in question was my fantasy of what I would do to my supervisor who got me fired, having nothing to do with the bubble bath later in the chapter. Bubble baths were Gail's thing, and sometimes I would take one without her just to sort of relive that first sexual encounter in my mind. The story's quite true, though of course the dialog is imprecise at best. I don't have a "photographic" memory for detail like that. Speaking of photographs, here's the front page of the paper that got me fired. Terry D.

Not my call either, but are we going to delete any references to drug use on HC as well? That's clearly defined in law, as well. :poke:em. We actually are supposed to delete those. Terry D.

Well, I'm not the moderator of this forum. If I was, I think I'd delete all this argument about age of consent, as I think we can all agree sex with children (however the law defines that) is wrong and certainly not appropriate for these forums. I'd also delete all posts referring to underage girls as this is definitely no place for that (not that any place is). I'm suggesting we keep that sort of thing out of this thread - on both ends. No stories about sex with underage girls, no tedious debate on when it's ok and when it's not, the law defines that pretty clearly. This thread has received more views than any other thread in Backstage with the Band: Almost 150,000 views! That's amazing! Sex, drugs, and rock and roll; that phrase isn't a coincidence, sex happens to musicians. It happens before a show, after shows, and even sometimes during a show. Sometimes it's ludicrous, sometimes it's incredible, often it's sad, but always it's a rite of passage for all of those involved. Let's not kill this thread, let's focus on the coming of age comedic tragedy girls that we still call "groupies." Thanks. Terry D. P.S. If you came here looking for the small part of this thread that I wrote, use the 'groupie stories' link in my sig to get a clickable index to the chapters. Otherwise, just dive in.

Perhaps it's finally time to retire this thread. Terry D.

Well, even if he's the biggest contribution to this thread's fame, let's not forget who started it, ok ? ahem... Showoff! Terry D. P.S. This thread brought me a large number of hits to my CD on CD baby. Thanks everyone for that!

This actually proves my point No, it demonstrates that your question was specious as the extra information in a 20kHz square wave is not audible to the human ear. Terry D.

Could you redraw it showing what happens to a 20kHz square waveform when you sample it at 44.1kHz? A 20kHz square wave requires frequencies higher than 20Khz, so it gets rounded into a sine wave by the input filter of the converter. Square waves are often used to test frequency response in just that manner. But you knew that. According to other posters who were arguing with me, it should come out sinusoidal. I had it all arse-backwards earlier on in the thread but now I know I'm 100% correct. A 20kHz square wave will come out sinusoidal from any DAC that has a input filter set for audio, i.e. ~ 20kHz cutoff - regardless of what the sample rate is thereafter. Once you have at least 44.1 sampling, it's all about the filters. Terry D.

Math does not give you better time domain resolution. Only a higher sample rate can do that. Sometimes what's intuitive isn't correct, and this is one such time. A 20kHz sine wave is reproduced perfectly by a 44.1kHz sample rate, period. It only takes two points. That's the math of it, it's been proven, and if you can disprove that, maybe you'll get the Nobel Prize. Good luck with that. Better that you argue the implementation of the math, which is imperfect electronic circuitry. Did your listening test reveal that 96kHz sounded better than 44.1? Quite possibly, because converters aren't perfect but it's not the sample rate that's the problem. As someone else said, there's no benefit to 96kHz other than making a poorly designed converter sound better. You don't need something like a subjective listening test to prove this. If you don't accept the math, you can simply input a 20kHz sine wave into your A/D and then output it through your D/A and put that on a scope. It's a sine wave, not a square wave or any other odd shape. If I put two points on paper, tell you they're taken .00002268 seconds apart, and ask you to draw a curve through them, any shape you draw that isn't a sine wave then must have component frequencies higher than 22kHz that wouldn't be there after the cutoff filter. ANY function can be represented by a sum of sine waves. This isn't a matter of opinion, read any text on the subject. Terry D. P.S. By the way, your idea of sampling an 88Hz bass string at 176Hz would indeed not sound much like a bass string - because bass strings have harmonics, not because Nyquist was wrong.

+1000000000 this is exactly what drew me in..... thanks for nothing terry D...j/k:thu: You're so welcome! 120,000+ views so far. and only 99,871 of them by me... Terry D.

bttt Terry D.

Bull{censored}. It has been proven in several university studies. Well, link me to the research and I'll consider changing my mind. Hearing isn't particle physics, nor is it difficult to measure. The frequency range of human hearing is well-established. You don't need your wonderful studio or my fancy laboratory to prove it, just spend $10 and buy yourself a dog whistle. Do you hear the tone? Probably not - though some dog whistles have content down to 15kHz or so. I suspect you're thinking about some sort of intermodulation distortion caused by the presence of high frequency content in an audio signal? If so, you're talking about problems with electronics, not acoustics or the physiology of the ear. The next day Mr. Neve and a few from his crew went down to the studio and pulled the modules that sounded "different". They found a manufacturing error where the modules were shipped with the transformers having been left in an unloaded state causing a VERY high frequency oscillation. The sound of these modules had a palpable difference from the other modules in the desk [and served as the basis for the Great River MP-2NV's loading switch as the transformers remain 'unloaded' until you hit that switch and flatten out the frequency response]. Peace. Well, that's interesting but really doesn't prove people can hear frequencies over 20kHz, does it? Terry D. P.S. I'll check the literature myself, since I know you have better things to do.

Wow thanks fletcher. i think thats pretty much what i already sort of had in mind......in essence, we need to record these inaudible frequencies because in the end although these frequencies may not be heard, they are "heard." i know that sounds weird but its something you can hear if its not there vs. when it is there. The same teacher also mentioned in class that it is probably a better idea if were recording at 24 bit to use 88KHz instead of 96KHz to make the computer be able to utilitze info better without having to go down to decimals where everything will work out evenly, is this true and is there any significant loss of quality with a small jump like that? There's no scientific proof of hearing (or sensing by some unknown means) of frequencies much above 20kHz. As for 88kHz downsampling vs 96kHz, that might have been true at one time but current conversion algorithms all first upsample to a higher frequency at an integral multiple of the desired and current sampling rates, or so I'm told. In any case, I've personally run meticulous comparisons of signals that have been downsampled to 44.1 from various higher rates, and they are indistinguishable by any reasonable test. I'm a scientist doing acoustic research and this consideration was important to my work. Terry D.

Does anyone else have any thoughts? I am phishing for feedback before I plunk down my money. Personally I most prefer the Auralex MegaLENRDs, which can be used free standing in vertical corners. I'm an acoustics researcher, and I've not seen / measured a product (including a panel / membrane absorber) that absorbs so well in the low bass for the real estate it consumes in your room. Then again, I haven't tested everything. Terry D. P.S. Note that MegaLENRDs are not the regular LENRDs, which I have tested extensively and (my personal opinion) find useless for frequencies under 125Hz, which is where most of the problems are for small rooms.