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17 Tubes

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  1. uh... ok. pretty cool that you hold a guitar up to your chest which isn't translucent unless you've got jellyfish dna. yeah.. the 80s weren't good to a lot of people.. And that's cool yeah you're cool..but... the 80's were good to a million times more people than it wasn't good to..... They were good times. Sorry you were like 4 then. 80's were good times...lots of great music..not just hair metal. As opposed to the depressed 90's and the angry 00's. LOL at people who think the 80's sucked or were "hard in peeps". Look at us now. 80's = good times.
  2. A teenager? {censored} you, you don't know {censored} about life. Talk to me when you lived a while and actually experienced some things in life. Dickhead. I know I'm late, but I don;t know why you gave him the time of day. Just iognor eit. You got plenty else to worry about...just a loser pl;aying with ya....and he got what he wanted. You also have plenty of people that extend their sincere concern, unfortunately there's nothing we can do. Hope you follow the advice of consulting a lawyer, damn them to hell. I also wonder when she suddenly turned into this bitch. Was it something you missed? Take care man and fight for the best thing for your kids
  3. Originally posted by Savo Thats because you dont own the money. You own the wealth that that note represents but the federal government manufactured and owns the actual paper. Way too long to explain but if you did the history of economics you'd understand. I think you'll get what im saying anyway. I actually read this thread until i got to the bit about having sex with a cow. Ye lost me there Yes...I understand. I never said I agreed with it. I don't like aruguing somehting just becasue of it's position in the legal system. I put the issue up on it's own merits and don';t give a godamn what politicians think of it. IN other words..."ownership" of money or the flag isn't an issue for me. IS it right or wrong?...does it make sense? What's the purpose? People FOR flag buring...or would not make a law against it anyway reort to "freedom of speech and expression"...and that is fine, but I disagree that that is the intent. People can express themsleves perfectly well without burning the flag. I guess it depends on what the flag means to you. If you believe it represents the sacrifices of all those that brought it to life and maintained it, that it stands for freedom and a way of life, that people DIED so you could CHOOSE to burn it or not, you probably won't.
  4. Originally posted by kush06 Here's a gem: O'Reilly falsely claimed Bush didn't oppose 9-11 Commission. O'Reilly defended President George W. Bush from a Kerry-Edwards '04 TV ad highlighting Bush's opposition to creation of the 9-11 Commission by denying that Bush had ever opposed the commission. In fact, Bush did oppose the creation of the 9-11 Commission. (10/21/04) There were studies done that showed voters who listen to these people were far more uninformed on the issues, as well as the underlying facts dealing with those issues, than people who don't listen. That's just dangerous. You sound a bit intolerant your own self. You are right, though, I am intolerant...towards ignorance and intolerance. We do agree completely on one point, though. I want my nugs too. Well, I can't argue with all of that. You sound you know pretty much it all. But I have to point out that you're making a big issue of O"reilly? "HE lied!":cry: Bush? "He lied":cry: But where are the rest of the names of imporatnt politicans who lie, or have lied. Come on! Let's have full disclosure, not just whatever suits your personal agenda? And your tree-hugging comment? Don't be a hypocrtie! Just like fossil fuels, gasoline prices, and war and unrest in the middle east. I say unless you ride a bike, you contribute to the problem....sometimes a little sometimes a lot. I do beleive megacorps (even mom and pop shops) contribute to the pollution and destruction, the consumer is just as guilty, for the part, we want cheap stuff and reward the companies that do it best. No, there's bigger problems thean Bill O-Reilly or even Bush.
  5. Buring a flag isn't freedom of speech. Or even freedom of..."expression". If you just get to the point and cut to the chase, it's done to get attention....not SAY anything. Unless of course you count disrespecting every American soldier and citizen who gives a dman. I say {censored} it...don't make the damn ammendment. Let's just kick the assholes head in. That will give him the attention he craves.
  6. Originally posted by blargh I can't shoot down an argument that isn't there Once again, humans are not cows or dogs. He's saying: Everyone was saying if your against gays, it's becuase you are placing your values, morals, and way of thinking upon other people. And that is supposedly wrong. Everyone against him seems pretty sure the cow doesn't enjoy it. Ya have to wonder how everyone came by such strong position. I'K KIDDING! SO the issue is...where do you draw the line? What is the real age of consent? Does anyone really {censored}ing CARE if a cow get reemed by a perv? There's many aspects people are missing simply for the casue of argument.
  7. Originally posted by potaetoes overpopulation to the point of exceeding the carrying capacity of our ecosystem (a.k.a. earth), as a direct result of heterosexual human reproduction, is rapidly ensuring our doom. Are you warning us to go gay or face the consequences? lol...hah... If you think this Earth is and always will be the lone domain of Man, you are mistaken. It was just a few hundred years ago most or Europe had no idea about the NA continent. We'll do the same with another planet/system, hopefully without killing off whatever native population is at hand.
  8. Originally posted by blargh When you tear a cow's junk off, it's responding to pain. A cow's cavernous vagina is not gonna be hurt by human penises, but then again, is the sex painful for a woman getting raped? It's morally wrong on a different level than merely hurting someone. Since you maintain that you have some kind of logic to your arguments, can you PLEASE tell me how having sex with a cow is comparable to having sex with a man? I don't see the connection. The only thing I can say is that it strays from our preconceived notion of "proper sexual relations"? SOme people seem to be sayin"Hey DUDE! it doesn't hurt anything!" But you don't know that. You don't know that for two guys, do you? And you can't say it FOR the cow, can ya? I'm kinda thinking that unless you have to cow in the milking neck binder thing, if it felt ill at ease it'd prolly do...SOMETHING. Walk away? Moo abit? Not that I would know. Seems a bit odd how many people know how the cows feel about all this.
  9. Originally posted by kush06 Me, I like it there. It's alot friendlier and cozier than the land of "mega right-wing ignorant white trash, Love MY God or Die, minority fearing, hate-mongering, sexist, gay-bashing, think my way or you're wrong, intolerant to any way of life except that of the WASP, election stealing, starting a war under false pretenses, environment raping, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly knob polishing, extremely angry, immature, foolish lost elephants" DO I detect whining? So what teepee do you live under, that you can condemn "enviromental raping". WHo are you to judge the war? It's far too early for you to think you can know what has happened and what will happen. "Election stealing"...hah, that's a good one. Hard to be a President if you can't even convince your own homestate you'r fit for the job. Rush and Bill?...they are actors, entertainers....what are you so mad about that for? Wish more people were as passionate in their search for answers and truth...well, O'Reilly anyway" Rush is a big fat dumb.....head. No skin off my nose about it though. You sound a bit intolerant your own self.
  10. Originally posted by potaetoes it's the flag-burner's flag too, not just yours. It's a good point. Doesn't mean Romanian can't rough him up a bit, if he's willing to pay his own price for it.
  11. I think the world would be a different place if our only concern is "it doesn't concern me", or "it doesn't harm anyone else". Let's put it this way...if you're gonna let gays legally... mar....unite, then I want my damn nugs legal too. You'll fight, bitch moan, complain and get on your horse for gays, but you won't let me smoke a bowl? Bull{censored}.
  12. Originally posted by Romanian Reaper I don't think it should be illegal to burn the flag, I just said that I don't like it. That's like someone calling your mom a bitch from across the street. He didn't do anything illegal but it still bothers you. I just don't get what flag burning accomplishes. Burn an effigy of a person. Why burn a flag that represents ideals, people of various religions and races, etc.? The flag does not represent the government. It represents freedom. People call it freedom of speech. But it's not. It does nothing for whatever issue is at hand. This act is not engaging. Wat it is... is enraging. The people that would do it get the attention they crave. Instead of miring in their own filth and stupidity, they would prefer to spread the {censored} around a little bit. Get some on you. Now they can feel better about themselves. You actually see the same thing here on the forum. A simple manner of form the only difference.
  13. Originally posted by Silent Heart Yep. It turns out the founding fathers knew what they were doing. Too bad most people either misunderstand the concept you are referring to, or puroposely twist it to suit a personal agenda.
  14. Originally posted by nrarocks You can't ban flag burning because it's free speech. Gays should be able to get married; what's it to you? Are gay couples ravaging your neighborhood? As for not being able to say God in school, I don't know what that's all about, could be part of the separation of church and state law. Check the definition of "marriage" in the dictionary. Unlike the rest of Amercia who seem really cool with redifining words and long-standing trdiation to suit whatever the hell they want it to be, I'd like "marriage" to be between a man and woman. It's tradition, it's our understanding of a healthy and propogating relationship. It's the best way for families and children. No, it doesn't always work out, but it's not the system, it's people that {censored} it up. A man and woman offer a child both aspects of the species. It's invaluable, if done correctly, to the well being and developement of the child. This is a case I would like to see as "separate but equal". I want my image of being "married" to be exaclty as it is now. I don't want the dentist office to ask me if I am married? "yes". To a man or woman? "ummm...woman". You can fool your own mind that it is absolutely harmless and meanlingless designation, but it just shows you don't have the ability to think things through a far enough. Let's give them a union, let's give them ebenfits, if it applies. Butlet's call it something else besides "marriage". That's not too difficult of a concept. I heard on the radio today you can't dface money, but you can burn a flag. Odd. However, I do believe that men and women fought and died for this flag, to give you the right to be a jackass. So if that's what you want, fine. Just keep in mind just becuase youhave the right to be a jackass doesn't mean you don't have to pay for it. You should be prepared for wehatever consequences occur. Like an ass-beating from those people who think you shouldn't burn the flag.
  15. This is already really long, but my two cents are: Sometimes a single spam thread is necessary, because a sale is a priority. Somebody either needs money very badly, sometimes for a FAMILY EMERGENCY!, and other times to take advanatge of someother deal that must be done. Often, the single spam gets taken care of within a day or two. (Unless the price of a San Dimas pionty white w/ maple fretboard isa bit too high). Did I just say tha out loud? Anyway...I say keep the spam. We love gear, we love seeing it talking about watching it go for sale bought sold and on and on,. KEEP IT!
  16. Originally posted by Simon Garlick So you're saying, given that Zarqawi wasn't even forty, he's been a major dealer in global terrorism since he was NINE YEARS OLD? Whoops. I apoligize for my ignorance and misinformation. I heard on a radio program that he has held power and influence for a number of years, not just any kind of 9/11 attack. I certainly must be wrong on that specific number, but I stand by the rest of my statement.
  17. Originally posted by fragglerick Well, after 14 pages I'm sure this has been said, but I'll say it again... I don't think his death is gonna make any difference. Those people are {censored}ing animals. They'll just take the next sickest, craziest bastard that they can find and put him in charge. I don't think we here know enough to make a statement like that. Sure, if there is a minor or even a big player, there are many to take the place to follwo the orders of the kingpin. I don't think we fully understand Al Zarqawi's role. He was, and has been for 30 years, a major major dealer in global terrorism. I'm sure there are many that can follow orders and orgainze the pockets of mayehm we hear and see. But I think we may give too much credit to think that ANYONE can step in and run the terrorist groups at large. Conniving? Check. Passionate? Check. Dedicated? Check. But is your average low or mid-level terrorist really really smart? Do not underestimate the power and experience that Al-Zarqawi held. And I undrstand several other raids netted many of his high level henchman. Give credit where credit is due and count this a battle victory in the war on global terrorism. H
  18. Originally posted by cloudnine Canada has done more than its share in the conflicts of the past and had one of the highest ratios of population to enlisted men, so please, dont try it. The only thing you guys have defended us from recently are our fair shake of softwood lumber money. Yes we benefit, of course. Doesnt mean I cant criticize the American administration. I admitted almost as much. And you're right. I derserve some admonishment. I think you are undervaluing your benefits from the USA, and that is just my opinion.
  19. Originally posted by cloudnine Some of us countries dont crave power. Yeah..you just let the other countries do all the work and benefit from the proceeds. You don't benefit from the well-being of the United States....correct? Yeah..you benefit, but for some reason you have a more holier reason to object to any perceived evils. You can stand back and "objectively" criticize. OHHHHhhHH! Good work!...Bravo! There have been, and ARE Canadian citizens who have give their lives for the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness....for people of other nations as well as their own. Unfortunately, Canada is even worse than the USA in honoring that sacrifice. As for the orginal point of this thread, do not underestimate the importance of this stroy. Al-Zarqawi was a major player in world terrorism and won't be replaced as easy as you think. You may have 10 who step into his place, but won't necessarily fill his shoes. Not so easy to be a terrorist, these days.
  20. Originally posted by shredhead666 Howabout this... The US had bigger fish to fry at the times we sent aid to Saddam and Bin Laden. The ywere useful idiots, but they outlived their usefulness and we forgot to take 'em back out. So they came back and bit us in the ass. Sort of like Il Duce in the Boondock Saints. Yes, of course. But it's tough making a blanket statement that we "chose" Israel as "our" side. We obviously had some dealings that favored Arabs, motivations neither here nor there. I think maybe if the Arab oil establishment would share the bounty of oil resources, provide better education and way of life for all Arab people, things would go much better.
  21. Originally posted by SkidMarx alone, we can't. With the wordl standing with us, Muslims included, we can end it. Until and unless those "peace loving Muslims" join this fight against human garbage killing in the name of Islam, then I am afraid you are right. But we cannot abandon the effort to do so. The time has long past to stop this nonsense. I do appreciate your answer. I don't agree with it. There comes a time to fight and that time is now. Ah...and here is the crux of the situation, IMVHO. Do you think this would be like this if France and Germany had joined us when asked? They stammered and yammered enough to screw up the original time-line...that was a big {censored} up initself. And so what if Iraq CLAIMED they didn't have WMD's? IS that why the UN was there for 12 years without any REAL answers or solutions? Well, of course that can be debated, but what SHOULDN't is if France and Germany had joined, and showed us around, they would say"SEE! We TOLD you there wasn't any WMD's. The UN and Saddam were just dicking around with ya!", then this whole mess would have been much different. The US would still have a little egg on their face, just like France and Germany wanted, but at least there wouldn't be so much blood lying around. And it would have made a MAJOR statement that global terroism and oppression would not be tolerated, no matter WHO stuck WHO in power. And the silence of the moderate Muslim is deafening, as they watch what they think are polar opposites, or at least crazy people, destroy each other. Come on rest of the world! Let's find a way to deal with this, through REAL world negotiations the likes of which the UN refuses to do, or through military means if necessary. Quit being so PC and apathetic.,
  22. Originally posted by macmax to answer to Skid, this is what imeant: we just took a side and we will have to defend ourselves, That's odd, since certain sectors keep reminding me we put Saddam and bin Laden into power. Can't have it both ways. Hard to "choose" Israel when you're empowering Arab leaders. I know I'm dense and someone will rationalize this for me.
  23. Originally posted by SkidMarx can you answer a question for me that no liberal has the balls to answer? Why is it wrong to help Israel? Why can't we be friends with Israel and the Arabs? Can you answer that please? Because the Arabs want to kill Isreal? And the friend of an enemey is an enemy? But then you throw oil in the mix and itgets kind of messy.
  24. Originally posted by gearo999 The US military has Honor and Respect for other persons. We try not to kill civilians. It's part of the Geneva Convention rules we fight by. As far as "dirty work," 50 years ago civilian newscasters respected the President and this country and didn't report every mistake the government or military made in the news world wide. Remember, there were presidents that could not walk, had affairs with actressess and their screwups were not in world view. Now every reporter is looking for "The Story" putting the news above the greater good of this country. Hey, I'm with you my brother. I have only the UTMOST respect and honor for our military, both past and present. However, the reality is that innocent people will be killed. Especially when the enemy are such cowards that their entire MO is to blend in with civilians. Add to that the soldiers have TV cameras at their backs, recording every incident, which IMO is a mistake on the militarty's part. The soldiers should not have that added fear of reprisal for actions in a wartime situation, certainly not media/civilian pressure. To think that we can fight global terrorism without innocent lives being lost is ludicrus. We as Americans have assumed that responsibility and guilt in the past. But can't seem to muster up the fortitude now. And our boys are dying and maimed for it. That was my only point.
  25. Originally posted by vlad Now now... don't be so pessimistic... We're not 'losing' anything... There's plenty of dirty stuff we still do to people that deserve it. Thanks for the correction. I have my feelings and thoughts, but was is the media and public perception?
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