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  1. IT AIN'T ALDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: I'm not braggin bout the guitar count. I'm trying to convey that my guitar obsession has imparted more than the slight reference of guitar knowledge that you guys obviously posess. But you guys go ahead and have your fun, or for those of you who I fear could be serious, believe that Epiphone is one big guitar wood conspiracy cartel. Epaminondas Stathopoulo is rolling over in his grave right now! And you all must be right, the holy grail of woods, korina (limba) a relative of mahogany, is far too precious for the Epiphone company to have stuffed a yellow stained veneered guitar full of its boards. Right! :rolleyes:
  2. Originally posted by TattooedCarrot Well, I'd be interested in what Korina DNA would look like because there is no such wood. Its a fictitious name Gibson made up to call the yellow stained limba they were using in lap steels way before it showed up on guitars. McCarty liked the way the lap steels looked and decided to make the V's and Explorers look the same. So you're really defending something that's made-up in the first place. Which is why they can still get away with calling the Epi's Korina, because there's no such thing anyway. You friggin dufus! I already pointed out that "limba" is another word (and the proper word) for korina. :mad: You guys are horrible little trolls. I own thirty guitars and it wouldn't break my heart if this one didn't meet specs, and I already stated that it is multi-pieced lower grand korina (limba) but you guys have nothing to support your arguments. Just conjecture and irrelevent speculation. I also pointed out that it is stained, which is probably why the dufus who started the alder body innards was confused at what he was looking at. He most likely expected the yellow color to be the same on the inside of the veneer. But you guys want to believe a HC thread post rumour over Gibson Epiphone specs, go right ahead. Lazer eyes to you guys!
  3. Originally posted by TaZMaNiO 99% of Epi stuff these days is either veneer or plywood, though you wouldn't know it unless you looked in the PUP cavities, neck pockets or sawed through the body...I'm surprised people don't realize the Epi line is cheaper cause they cut a lot of corner Aargh! I do know that, but that doesn't mean they lie about their specs on species. Epiphone is an American company that uses Samick and US factories for their product. There's no reason to think that they all come of of varied Asian sweat shops. When a guitar manufacturer wants to go cheap, they just remain relatively silent on the specs. Just like the specs for the Epi Explorer. It just says "korina" is doesn't say, solid, book matched or anything else. But look at the SG special. It will say "multipieced". It leaves it up to you to guess how many.
  4. You guys keep on thinking that boards of korina are gold or something. Sure epi cuts cost corners, but by using smaller pieces of wood, not by using other valuable tone woods such as alder. Now here's a limba (another word for korina) body. You'll note that without the yellowish stain, it has a white and brownish colors that is common with ash. http://cgi.ebay.com/LUTHIER-CHARVEL-JACKSON-COMP-BLACK-LIMBA-SOLOIST-BODY_W0QQitemZ7349511917QQcategoryZ41406QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem A curse uon you all!
  5. Originally posted by timmy210 He showed pictures of the refinishing process, it was cleary alder. Also when he stripped it the veneer came off if I remember correctly. My point is it was definately alder, not korina. Maybe they made different batches of body woods, some people I have talked to have said that they are usually a couple of pieces (ranging from 2-7) of low quality korina with a higher quality korina top. Sure, its korina but no more than nato is just lower quality mahogany. I know I have those pics somewhere around here of the stripped explorer. . Pics ain't going to do it for me. Even the naked eye can throw you off. Give me DNA evidence then we'll talk. For now I'm going with the Mfr's specs. And why would this dork ruin his guitar. And I agree with what you're saying, for $445, it is going to be a lower qualty korina. It's like mahogany. The best stuff used to come from South America where it rains a lot and the would is very porous. Now a lot of it comes form Africa were it isn't as porous and not as resonant. Korina however, has always been reported to come from Africa. But it's not like there's a bad tree and a good tree, it's the size of the pieces. Laminate guitars (plywood) are not as common as they were several years ago. People caught onto that and wanted solid bodies. Now all but the very cheapest (bullet, etc) models are "solid bodied" but now the wood is boards glued together vertically instead of horizontally. So in essence, the less expensive models, like this Epi Explorer, use what would be considered "scraps" in the luthier's world. But I used to work in a lumber mill, and even with pine, fir, cedar, tamarack, white fir, sawn boards that reach 12" wide are in the small minority. So having access to a piece of wood wide enough to make a single pieced explorer from select tone wood would be rare feat.
  6. http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=34&CollectionID=3 Maple is maple and Korina is Korina. You'll note that is says it finishes are "ko and eb". So they've added a stain to give it a color reminiscent of vintage korina. That's why the numbnuts thought he was looking at alder on the inside. More Korina: http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=31&CollectionID=3 Now here's a mahogany alder mix:http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=30&CollectionID=3 So why would they lie about the korina if they don't lie about the mahagony/alder model?? It ain't like boards of korina are worth their weight in gold. Big slabs of either mahogany or korina are very scarce and pricey, but not boards.
  7. Originally posted by TattooedCarrot Nitro is more expensive and time consuming, kinda defeats the purpose of a cheap knock-off. If you want true vintage vibe, you'll need to shell out $5k for the 58 historic RI V. Or better yet, $2k for a Hamer Korina Vector. Yeah, I know it's more expensive since there's a lot of hand rubbing between coats. I didn't mean I expected that in the Epi, I just meant that a cheap version of a nitro finish, or even a thinner poly layer would have been a better idea. But no, I wouldn't want to go that deep with an explorer. I just wanted a taste of the lighter body (and it is considerably lighter than my son's mahogany Gibson '76 Explorer) with more vintage style PAF pups. I may eventually upgrade to USA PAFs (Burstbuckers, 57's or some SD or DiMarzio knockoffs), but for now it's a decent sounding guitar. It's kind of trippy. The first riff I played on that guitar was "Johnny Be Good" and damned if it doesn't have some semihollow body tones to its sound. Cubic inch to cubic inch, this thing be lighter than my alder strats!
  8. Originally posted by TattooedCarrot and a maple neck. Hey, you'd better not be siding with Timmy on that alder body nonsense. But I do remember reading the maple neck spec from a more reliable source than some jughead with a can of paint thinner.
  9. Originally posted by timmy210 Well I'm sorry But he posted pics of it, I'll search for them but the body was alder not korina. They could have gotten away with having alder by having a korina veneer on it. Who knows, maybe with the guy that stripped the ax got the only one made out of alder. All I know is that this particular "korina" explorer was made out of alder. Yeah, like I said, I'm pretty sure that I saw the post too, but what I'm suggesting is the guy was probably an idiot. He may not have understood what he was looking at and that the veneer was tinted and the inner blocks were not. Unless he was an expert woodsmith, the sides of cut lumber can look much different than sand finished tinted and coated woods of the same species. I worked with mahogany in my youth, and I've never seen a mahogany guitar that matched the same tint as the boards of mahogany that I used in shop class. PS What happened to NashSG?
  10. Originally posted by timmy210 No, the guy was refinishing the guitar and once he stripped the paint it was indeed a couple of pieces of alder. Also, its not a korina cap but a veneer, meaning its around 1/16 thick. Also Epiphone uses alder in their les pauls, so who's to say they wont use them for their explorers too? I know it's not a cap, but a veneer. What I was saying is that there is nothing wrong with alder. It's one of the best tone woods going. So if it was indeed alder and not a korina body, then they would have to advertise it as such. Otherwise they'd be breaking a {censored} load of commercial laws regarding truth in advertising. So I'm just saying that this tale you are referring to is not enough to make an argument. There's no way you'd see the alder underneath the veneer just by stripping the finish. His view was inside the pickup cavity where the lack of stain made it look like it could have been a different species. I can see by the way why someone would strip the finish. One thing I was a little disappointed about with this guitar is that the polyurethane finish is a bit on the thicker side. For a "vintage" style guitar it should have been kept thin, or better yet a nitro finish. But the veneer that they used was not to cover up a different species of wood, they used the veneer to make the guitar appear as if it were carved out of a single block of korina rather than multiple smaller pieces of korina glued together. I did a lot of reading on this ax before I bought it my man!!
  11. Originally posted by timmy210 Gas Man, someone on either this forum or the epiphone forum took the finish off his 59 and it was alder with a veneer. I remember seeing a post like that, but that doesn't mean squat. The post I remember reading was someone in a user review seeing the blonder look of the pieces inside a pickup cavity and jumping to this conclusion. By looking at my Epi, I'm pretty sure that what is supposed to be thought of as a natural korina finish does instead have some yellow tint added. So if you were to look at the internal blocks of wood, this pigment would be missing. But if it were an alder body with a korina veneer, I would believe that Epiphone would advertise it as "alder body with korina cap". I'm not saying the Epi is first rate, as it is, a multi-piece body with a veneer is already an economy build, but there wouldn't be a good reason to use alder internal wood and then still promote it as "korina". This is not Epi's first venture into Korina guitars. A friend of mine has a Korina SG and it also has a definite tonal difference from most SG's. It's has more "strat-like" overtones in it from the brighter more resonant wood.
  12. Originally posted by cloudnine I've played an original 1958 Explorer. It sucked ass. Apparently they went basically unused until the 70s because they were made so poorly. Seriously, this 1958 one was about 12-13 pounds, had no sustain, had a {censored}ed up neck, and they were selling it for tens of thousands. Now come on now! "Sucked ass" ?? They should have less sustain than an LP since they don't have the hard maple cap, and the body wood was more resonant thus more vibration absorbing than mahogany, but "sucked ass". Albert King made beautiful blues music with the "V" version and I doubt the Explorer would be much different. I think it was their odd and somewhat awkward shape that kept them from really catching on. As my book "The Ulitmate Guitar Book" says, "Gibson president Ted McCarty came up with the new shapes by using "modern" straight lines rather than "traditional" curves - a very radical move for the time. So radical, in fact, that the response from both retailers and players was negative. Despite Gibson's high hopes, none of these unusual guitars sold well and production stopped within two years. Many years later these rare guitars became very desirable, and the renewed interest led to other makers adopting the Flyuing V and Explorer styling" It aslo says that only 100 of the original V were ever made. But no, I wouldn't cough up the $40,000 it would cost to experience that first model.
  13. Originally posted by timmy210 The epi korina explorers arent made out of korina, they have a korina veneer and alder body. Everything that I have read including all the reviews on HC's user reviews, as well as all the online stores and the Epiphone website say Korina. Where do you get your information?
  14. I have a few "guitar" books, but they don't give a lot of detail about the Explorer. But the first year was 1958. Both the Explorer and the Flying V were built then with "modern" styling. Streamlining and jet-age styling was very popular on everything back then from cars to toasters. I believe the orginals were made exclusively with Korina (an African wood that is lighter but similar to mahogany). If this is not 100% correct, I know that it was true for some of the original models. There were very very few of the originals made, so either the V or the Ex are worth many thousands now if you can even find one. I recently bought the Ephiphone '58 Explorer since I was a little bit interested in this guitar myself. I didn't want a modern metal version of the guitar, but one with more of a vintage PAF tone and with the lighter more resonant qualities of korina wood. (I bought a '76 Gibby version for my son, and although it's a well made ax, the ceramic pups are best for distortion/crunchy tones (not my cup of wiskey). Although the Epi's use about 3 pieces of korina with a solid veneer, it is still a very resonant guitar body. I've had the guitar now for about 10 days and have had a couple hours or so to play it. It's a bit neck heavy, but I just received a thick tweed and brown leather DiMarzio strap that keeps it from slipping. Although the ads say the korina creates a brighter tone, what I've noticed is that the guitar actually has some semi-hollow sound quality to it. Whereas a Satriani may create "violin tones" this guitar seems to create "viola" tones, i.e a bit deeper. For $449 plus $63 for the case from Music 123, I had to check one out. I'm still evaluating this guitar, it usually takes me months to years to really decide (too many axes in the stable), but so far I don't regret adding this guitar to the group. I may eventually upgrade the pups and hardware, but I may also just leave it as it. I'm just not sure yet. But anyway, my point is that I wanted to check out the vintage intent of an explorer without a second mortgage on the house, so this Epi is part of my research on the subject.
  15. I bought the EF341SC Takamine for my kid. It's a decent guitar. Acoustics are generally designed to do one of two things (not counting classicals). Cut through the mix or Entertain the crowd A lot of the Tak steel strings are good at hitting the frequency that cuts through the mix. In general American name (not necessarily made) guitars are designed to be more resonant and deeper sounding. This to my ear is better, but if you're Bruce Springsteen playing in front of the E Street band, your looking for an acoustic that is not highly susceptible to feedback and will cut through the mix. If you're Leo Kottke, you're playing a Taylor. This is a general rule of thumb that per a learned dealer acquaintance of mine holds true for most Asian versus most American models of acoustics. P.S. Seagulls as mentioned above are an excellent value. But decide whether your thing is Springsteen/Dave Matthews or if its a solo acoustic tone you are looking for. No need in getting a resonant acoustic that will be lost in the mix if you need a bright cutting acoustic tone. Get the right tool for the job you want done.
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