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  1. This is all in fun. I'm not worried about it. I've egged him on a little. It's not a big deal for me. But I was apparently right about that comparison I made to the Water Bomber guy. Almost absolutely right, Etty! It HAS been fun, a few have taken it seriously, including me about 10 pages back, and that Mikey(Gull12) fella, well, I still say no humor in that boy, but what the heck, we all breathe the same air, live and let live and all that. And just for you, my expatriate friend- ..not sure what the other guy that posted it was getting at, but it seems appropriate.
  2. Ettienne, and all the guys on this thread: I must apologize to all of you for taking a stand against Neal on your thread. I figured that if he were confronted, he would go away, but it is evident now that he is nothing but a troll; a sociopath who gets a great deal of pleasure from his disruptive and condescending behaviors. I really don't think you're going to get rid of him until this thread ends. For some reason, he seems to have a deep resentment for you, Ettienne, and I wouldn't be surprised if he follows you around for awhile. God only knows where the resentment came from, but for him it seems to be very real. People like him are usually very lonely, most have nothing really going in their lives to speak of, and like to play the 'big man' in order to feel better about themselves. Pissing people off is his goal, he gets a charge out of intimidating people and causing negative feelings. By the way, Katopp, that last one was aimed at him, not at you. Guys, I really want to thank you for this thread. It is very informative, and it has opened my eyes to a whole new world of guitars. For what it's worth, I believe that these guitars represent a great bang for the buck, and would be a safe investment for anyone. I'm tempted to buy one myself, I'm just trying to decide what I want. I have just put Neal on my 'ignore list' and I would suggest you all do the same. It might be quieter for you. Etty, I would like to thank you, too, for this thread. I'd like to apologize for Mikey (Gull) here, he's quite the... interesting individual. It's apparent that humor and irony are far beyond him. I'd like to leave you with this, until I'm called for again, as I know, aside from our differences and disagreements, a few hardier, intelligent members will understand...
  3. ^^^^^^^ wot he sez and quoted wrong himself And he learned to edit posts... ... Aww Dude, you've shot im in the dick! He has a dick? I wasn't even aiming...
  4. ......You guys just won't listen! Pot-Kettle, Neal. Mike, you ignorant slut. This is the finest aircraft, bar none. Oh, and learn to use the quote function dick.
  5. Much superior to American aircraft! You guys just won't listen!
  6. That didn't take long... Really, bye now on this. It's really boring when no one reads the posts, or has an idea of the context. Good luck with your guitars, locally built, or foreign built, play on! That's the important thing.
  7. (because sharing TOO MUCH when people don't really want you to, has led to vast amounts of problems for many people who now inhabit many of the prisons around the world), and all the rest who participate in this thread with rather impressive tolerance and/or amusement. Now please, your point has been made and acknowledged as far as it's ever going to be. Please be so kind as to let the rest of us, who thoroughly enjoy what this thread has to teach us, continue without the disruption. I couldn't have said it beter myself Gull...! Why on earth would you think I'm sharing with you two? Are you that full of yourselves that you feel you both are speaking for the 37000+ that have read this thread? Guys, take it down a notch.. Boys, did you not read the post up above where Etty was seemingly confused that a 4K guitar would have problems in the humidity that is is prevalent in Saigon? Did I bring that up? No. I only encouraged him to think a bit harder and to use a bit of reason. This is what forums are for. On topic, in the discussion, no harm, no foul, no hard feelings toward Etty, or anyone else. I'm fine with leaving your discussion, I have no dog in the fight, and no interest in senseless arguments, but you two just dragged me back in. You can't be that dense to believe that your words (so wonderfully sculpted, btw, both of you) would leave me hanging my head and saying to myself, "oh gosh, I'm ruining their good time". Sorry boys, post at me, flame me in a "polite" way, I'll respond. If you were smart, you'd ignore this post, quit trying to kiss Etty's ass by your misguided defense, and leave it be. But I wager that you are not that smart, and I am guessing that soon, someone else, as misguided as you two, will chime in too. Perhaps by the end of this one, it'll be the #1 viewed post at the AGF. Jeebus christ, you'd think I farted in church.
  8. May I make a suggestion to all who participate in this thread? I happen to enjoy this thread because I've learned some things, and I thank all of you for participating. My suggestion is that we all take a minute and post an acknowledgement to Neal's point that he has attempted to drill home for the past several months. Maybe, if we do this, it will satisfy his need to 'win', and he just might move on to another sandbox. I'll be the first. Neal, I have heard your point and I understand what you are saying; that any guitar, built in a high-humidity environment, will have a much higher chance of developing structural problems later on. I understand your point. I fully comprehend the theory behind your point. Thank you for sharing your point with me and all the rest who participate in this thread. Now please, your point has been made and acknowledged. Please be so kind as to let the rest of us, who thoroughly enjoy what this thread has to teach us, continue without the disruption. Thank you, Neal. ??? WTF was that about Mike? Forgot your meds? Stay on topic, Etty's finally understanding the whole humidity "theory"... And I am out actually, would not have posted again but for 2 things: 1. Etty's acknowledgment of the problems that come with humidity, and a bit of encouragement for him to extrapolate his findings, that you took it wrong is entirely your problem. It was on topic. 2. Your kiss-ass post addressing me, which you stated in a PM that you would avoid doing from now on, not that I'm holding you to it... I truly am sorry for upsetting your little apple-cart. Please forgive me. Pretty please? You can kiss me later.
  9. Interesting -- this was a guitar that would sell for around $4K. And it was having problems in high humidity. I've never seen anti-humidity patches in a guitar case. But he had several. Could enlightenment be far away? C'mon, yer almost there.
  10. And WTF are we talking about here? We're talking about a few weeks of monitored humidity during the construction of the damned guitar. That's it -- a few weeks! That's what all this sturm und drang is all about. I would imagine that the wood used is stored on location, soaking up that good, dry mountain air? No, that hot sticky wet 90% humid air. I can imagine that some wood is special order, and not stored for months on location, but most of that wood stays on site, for months on end until needed. So, Mr. Obtuse, it's a bit more than just a few weeks, eh? Anyway, the best to you, I think I'll bow out of this now and leave you to the thing, the topic is now in the top 10 viewed in the AGF here, I've done my job. :poke: the fork has been poked (thanks M.C) and it is cooked. (like those poor sweaty bastards making these guitars) :wave:
  11. This is not an argument against your comment but an addition. I do believe that a main reason for humidity control during construction has to do with process control and QC: controlling as many variables in the process to influence the final build quality which, then, has some relation to the ability to offer warranties on the product as well as maintain and increase the perception of the brand quality. I've read in some luthery discussions that some manufacturing decisions are made solely for those reasons but to the detriment of the sound or playability of the instrument. None of us know the effect of the air-drying that we have seen in the VN and Philippines vid's; perhaps they take care of all of the free water removal leaving the wood equilibrated with ambient. And, if the wood is high quality to begin with, it may do better than we expect in the finished instrument as it moves through climates. I've been reading the "Wood drying" article in wiki and it mentions that: 1. along the grain, wood shrinks the least (0.1 -0.3%) 2. across the grain the most (5-10%) - which is why the cross braces rip the top apart when your guitar has an acute drying episode, but: 3. along the pith - that is, from the heartwood towards the cambium, it shrinks less (2-6%). I posted earlier that my Lowden wasn't harmed or affected by extreme arid conditions of Arizona: that may, then, have to do with the fact that they build only with quarter-sawn wood (rather than slabs). I wouldn't mind seeing this thread end ... though I am (obviously) extending it. As someone else said: whenever it does end, it will end right where we are now. NealP and Etiene are needlessly opposed to each other. I agree with NealP that a guitar assembled in VietNam (all else being equal) will have a higher than average chance of a structural problem when shipped to a much drier climate. I agree with Etienne that his guitars come back to the US and don't have problems. That is, if he says they do, I believe him. I would like to see more guitars leave a factory or workshop equilibrated either to drier or wetter than average conditions - so long as shops can practice climate control. My Tanglewood behaved like an earlier poster described his VN guitar reacted to less humid conditions: everything fretted out below where the neck met the body. I fixed that. A lot of us live in either drier or damper climates than where the instrument is made. Running humidifiers or de-humidifiers to baby our guitars just doesn't seem right to me. Greg Thanks Greg. An actual post devoid of petty vitriol. That's refreshing here in this thread, serious about that. Oddly, I will leave it at that. I know, weird, eh?
  12. Sorry, no imploring today, you've become tedious and tiresome. And yet, you continue to engage me. So, not tiresome enough, eh? Serious, the group here that follows this thread, stop feeding the troll, and perhaps he will retire to his troll-hole. Etty, stop making wild claims about the guitars, feel free to joke about imploding exploding wear your safety glasses stuff, it's cool, no offense taken, but stop with the "comparisons", because the only comparison to a known brand would be to Antonio Tsai and BruceWeiArt on eBay. Deal? Another "serious", I feel right at home here, like you're my brothers, sisters, and neighbors. A prophet is never welcome in his home town, just ask Jesus.** **for you humorless bastards that can't tell a joke from their ass, that was a joke. Goddammit, I hate having to explain jokes to some of you nimrods, but it's apparent that has to be.
  13. You know, I imagine that this thread is good for another 40-50 pages. And at the end of that time, there will be nothing more accomplished than has been accomplished now. Both sides of the discussion are hopelessly mired in concrete. No one is going to give an inch. Neal, I didn't say I supported you, I simply said I look forward to your posts. Everyone on this earth needs a laugh sometime during the day, and you have taught me much about how NOT to communicate. Until all the people who have contributed to this thread bow down in unison to your point of view, you will not be satisfied. What I meant by what I said was that this thread has become my daily 'soap opera', complete with the good guys, the bad guys, the assholes and the angels. I don't see, by what I've read, that these people are going to bow down to your point of view, and why you keep poking the subject with a stick is beyond me. These threads are not contests, they are informational data, communication, and assistance to those who need it and want it. You have voiced your point at least twenty times, and I think they are trying to tell you that they don't buy it. How much further you want to go with this is entirely up to you, not to them. But, knowing you, I'll tune in tommorrow to "As the Stomach Turns" and you will be right there, slamming home the same useless point. Oh goodness gracious Mike, I was being a bit sarcastic. Yes, I know, there is the SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE coming out to slam the bit of wisdom I am conveying. The same group. THE SAME GROUP. You, Etty, I expect FBH any minute to come in and implore me to just get along, and a few others.. But, I'm glad you learned SOMEthing, even if you failed to grasp the importance of building a wooden musical instrument in a, let's say, more controlled environment... I do know by now that this SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE are running a protective circle around Etty, and Etty is still busy doing his "damage control" the only way he knows how, not facts, but wild proclamations like "exploding" "wager", "idiot".. you know, by name calling. Some of you, I suspect teenagers (not you Mike), respond favorably to that. I'm only here because of a statement Etty made earlier saying that these were comparable to Ayers, and I thought I'd point out that they are most definitely not. I really am done continuing, but it's subscribed, so I get the emails about who posted and, well.. I read them. Yeah, I shoulda just kept my mouth shut about that beautiful Koa, but let's not start making these things something they are not, let's keep in mind that successful guitar companies have spent lots of dollars in infrastructure for a reason. That's the only reason I'm here. But hey, if the price floats your boat, buy one Mike! Let us know how it turns out too! You can thank me later:lol: (btw, since irony is lost on quite a few here, that little emoticon is a laughing guy, meaning I'm sure THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE are not going to thank me.) So, depending on the bull{censored} that's tossed out by the OP, I can stay away. It's up to him. But I think you guys like me here, and I'd like to think, though I could be wrong, that a few at least, have given it some long term thought other than price and bling. (excluding those that live in typically humid climates, of course.)
  14. (he's not -NP) Oh, yeah... In addition to bringing my beautiful guitar back, I also brought my beautiful Vietnamese fiancee back with me. We were married a week later! Ok, it was just one guy. It happens to the best of 'em, right? Yeah, that's it... BTW, Best wishes to the Bride a little late, Amp_Surgeon! I think they need more care than the guitar though... Serious, nice guitars though, aside from the potential problems to foreign buyers.
  15. Hi all. Let's get a few things straight. 1. All this talk about splintering/exploding guitars, that is sort of funny, but not what happens, you silly geese. Wet guitars tend to develop other insidious problems, really, check it out. Usually warping, some cracking, as HAS HAPPENED TO A POSTER IN THIS THREAD. But I don't think they'll explode!! You folks aren't so dense as to read into my critiques that EVERY LAST GUITAR WILL HAVE PROBLEMS are you? ( I bet some of you will only read the bold!!) And that brings me to: 2. Will every last guitar that Etty sends over here have problems? Of course not. By his estimate, "just" 1 in 10. That's a lot of guitars, and not very good odds. All this talk about experiments and wagers... c'mon you guys! I think you'd have to buy 10 of them, wouldn't you? Etty old boy, is calling me an idiot your only defense regarding a guitar built in a wet environment? Ok, I suppose I can live with that, considering the source. Only pointing out the obvious for you scientific types, you may use the information any way you'd like. I'd like to remind you all that I've only said all along that "a guitar built in a high humidity environment has a better than average chance of developing problems, serious ones, than a guitar built in a controlled environment." Consider that. What is controversial about it? Nothing, it's common sense, and for some reason, that has made the OP very angry. It was not my intention to ruin a travelogue, or your desire to purchase a guitar made in 80%RH Vietnam in an un-air conditioned Quonset hut. Please feel free!! Buy 10, just be informed. I'm sorry I called Mr. Binh's factory a Quonset hut.
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