Antman

Sounds like a high fret - Stormin's advice is good...

LOL!

I'll say this: the ethics of the original transaction notwithstanding, anybody that called or contacted the guy's employer about this is a bigger douchebag by several orders of magnitude. None of this is the business of anyone here. You don't mess with someone's employment. This is one of the daftest things I have ever heard!!!!!! What planet you from dude????????

It's 10:29 am here...

He's not a customer. He's a seller, who came to me! I'd be working for the guitar store, not him. I have no incentive to do his due diligence for free, while he expects me to give HIM money. He's not paying me, he can do his own research. That's pretty funny, you expecting the potential buyer to do the seller's work. By working for the store you would be buying the guitar at a 'reasonable' price and selling it at market related value - where is there doing the seller's research? Weird.

He's not a customer. He's a seller, who came to me! I'd be working for the guitar store, not him. I have no incentive to do his due diligence for free, while he expects me to give HIM money. He's not paying me, he can do his own research. That's pretty funny, you expecting the potential buyer to do the seller's work. Whatever happened to customer service? Don't know Mr Seller - **** off? or let me find out, maybe we can offer you something based on it's market value? Jeez we come from different worlds...

A vintage, well-kept, and fully functional car is a collector's item, the same as guitar. The major difference, as I've already stated (as with most of the information I've sent your way, I've repeated over and over for you), is that cars degrade and will eventually need replaced unless EXTREMELY well kept for collector's value. A home is very similar, and yes, I'm in a historic area, and houses from the 1700s and 1800s go for FAR more because of their history and age if they're well-kept. The big difference, AS ALREADY MENTIONED, is that a guitar DOESN'T degrade in such a fashion, and anyone who's played a guitar for years, as this man must have, and noticed that the parts don't need replaced like those on a car or an older home should know this. So, what you're telling me is, stupid people exist? And it's ok? I'm sorry, but I feel no sympathy for someone who missed out on cash because of their own stupid actions. Do I think it's right? No. Do I think it's stupid? Yes. Could have been avoided were it not stupid? Yes. I actually own and drive 2 vintage MG's - they are in showroom condition - are they worth much? NO! Nowhere near the price of a new similar spec vehicle....

:poke: Well I guess you are lucky your Folks are well informed - many are not. Let's just agree to disagree, I sincerely hope that I am never the 'cause' of anyone being scammed and I will do all I can to prevent it...

What does this have to do with "Joe Public," man? This guy has owned, and probably played, these guitars since the 60s. If he's still clueless as to how it functions, then there's something very wrong. That's a giant leap of faith there my friend - he knows his old beatup guitars are 'valuable' how? He might be a player (now that's a novel concept) and doesn't have the slightest clue as the the relative vintage value of his 'well worn and old' guitars. A bit of assumption methinks..... Please try and look at this from the average player's perspective - not from a guitar aficionado's one...

What if they truly didn't know the value? It's their jobs to sell items on a shelf, not be up to date on the supposed "value" of items sold a long time ago. I myself don't know what a similar Les Paul Jr. is supposed to be "valued" at. If I told you $100, I wouldn't be scamming you, because I DON'T KNOW! At least you could give an honest answer and say I don't know and then research for the Customer?

The difference is that a car is a consumer product that degrades with time. Eventually, it will become unusable. Also, a showroom will not have used or vintage cars. A guitar, on the other hand, does not become unusable from everyday wear, and even my parents, who know absolutely nothing about guitars, know that a vintage guitar is often worth more than it's new counterpart, and can tell you from watching TV that musicians are often seen playing old instruments, so clearly they do not become outdated. As well, a guitar store WILL carry used and vintage instruments. This isn't rocket science, man. You and I know this - Joe Public doesn't - that's my point....

Was what the Employee did morally sound? Hell no. Was the old man an idiot for giving something away for free? Hell yes. I mean, L&M sells Gibson. How could he not look around, look at the 2+k gibsons laying around and honestly deduct that this guitar was worth nothing? At the very least it would bring into question the veracity of the salesmen's knowledge. I could walk into an auto / bike showroom and see the latest prices of new vehicles - doesn't inform my knowledge to what my circa 1960's honda is worth....so I fail to see the connection - the poor chap was ripped off by unscrupulous scumbags, he trusted their 'expert' advice - hence him seeking it in the first place! The least he could have expected was honesty - I don't see what is so difficult about this concept?

It still boils down to two chancers taking advantage of someones ignorance - the fact that the dipwads tried to brag about their 'find' makes the whole thing morally reprehensible to me - it is really just a sad state of affairs when what is wrong and right has become so blurred, I worry at the world my Grandkids will be growing up in...

I really am suprised at ANYONE supporting the OP who ripped the older gentleman off. Have societal norms really dropped that low? How would any of you feel if that was YOUR Father who was basically stolen from? Just because there are a group of 'knowledgable' folk on this forum who can spot a 'bargain' at 40 yards doesn't translate into everyone else is an idiot! Seriously pisses me off at some of the DUMBASS support for these degenerate thieves!!!! Even if the support is by way off indicating the seller was 'stupid'!!!! Really guys - get a life and some manners and decency. /rant off/