Members Poker99 Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00017399.html Even though Radiohead have provided fans with affordable download price on their site, their latest LP 'In Rainbow' is still illegally downloaded with a staggering number. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some of Radiohead's fans chose to download their latest album "In Rainbow" from illegal sources rather than from their official website. Commenting on the news, a researcher from P2P monitor Big Champagne and U.K.'s MCPS-PRS royalty collector said, "[The number] far exceeds what outsiders have reported as the estimated download total from the bands official website, regardless of whether those downloaders paid or not." The band have actually released a policy called as honesty box which allows their fans to pay the album as much as they thought the album was worth. However, the staggering number of illegal download with a total of 2.3 million copies since it has been released in October 2007, has proven that the scheme set by the band failed to stop people from continuing their pirate act. The band haven't told public about how much money they made from offering the download at their website. They also refuse to answer question on how many people have downloaded the album from their site. new business model? STFU
Members Poker99 Posted August 4, 2008 Author Members Posted August 4, 2008 This is old news Poker Every week there's a new noob saying we should do like Radiohead cause "it works and its the future man!!!"
Members sabriel9v Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 ...I wouldn't even address them.
Members pop tarts Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 i pirated it because i tried to dl it from their website on the release day but it was giving me all kinds of problems. so i said screw it, why spend all day trying to dl something free when i can go here and spend minutes? if their site didn't suck i might have paid, but since i would have had to wait, i wouldn't have paid anyway.
Members Michael Blue Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 i pirated it because i tried to dl it from their website on the release day but it was giving me all kinds of problems. so i said screw it, why spend all day trying to dl something free when i can go here and spend minutes? if their site didn't suck i might have paid, but since i would have had to wait, i wouldn't have paid anyway. So, now you're on an OPEN WEB FORUM, ADMITTING to braking the law, and STEALING another artist's work?! Yeah, that's just pure CLASS, man! What, are there NO STORES where you live, where you could BUY THE CD?! In before the BAN.
Members Booya Tribe Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 Why would Radiohead or anyone else care where people download it for free from? If listeners aren't going to pay for it anyway, isn't Radiohead better off with people downloading it from somewhere else to save them bandwidth costs?
Members zenfleshzenbone Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 Why would Radiohead or anyone else care where people download it for free from? If listeners aren't going to pay for it anyway, isn't Radiohead better off with people downloading it from somewhere else to save them bandwidth costs? Exactly! At least these people are listening to the album.. Isn't that the whole point of this? I mean, they couldn't buy this kind of publicity. I think people who are caught up in these traditional business views don't see the big picture here. More people than ever are listening to Radiohead because of this, which turns around into dollars (t-shirts, concert sales, ringtones..) regardless if they made a sale on the cd or not.
Members BlueStrat Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 Exactly! At least these people are listening to the album.. Isn't that the whole point of this? I mean, they couldn't buy this kind of publicity. I think people who are caught up in these traditional business views don't see the big picture here. More people than ever are listening to Radiohead because of this, which turns around into dollars (t-shirts, concert sales, ringtones..) regardless if they made a sale on the cd or not. Radiohead needs publicity like I need another ex wife.
Members slight-return Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 Why would Radiohead or anyone else care where people download it for free from? I suppose one reason could be to direct traffic to their "web presence" (with the opportunity to have the person choose a payment option, better hit metrics, maybe sell some related {censored} --- stuff like that) Is the apporach wise or unwise in terms of biz practices...dunno...that's one of those judgement calls that goes beyond the "why"
Members slight-return Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 So, now you're on an OPEN WEB FORUM, ADMITTING to braking the law, and STEALING another artist's work?! It would prob only constitute civil, not crim, infringement
Members CLOCK13 Posted August 4, 2008 Members Posted August 4, 2008 Radiohead needs publicity like I need another ex wife. Radiohead does not sell that many albums compared to say the ammount of happy meals Mcdonalds sells. I do not see why getting more publicity would be a bad thing for them or anyone else.
Members BlueStrat Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 Radiohead does not sell that many albums compared to say the ammount of happy meals Mcdonalds sells. I do not see why getting more publicity would be a bad thing for them or anyone else. Please explain to me how giving away their records at the world level helps them sell more records. I'm dying to hear it.
Members pop tarts Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 because i could get the cd free.i did. why is it a crime that i didn't kill their server?it isn't. you just don't realize that yet.i can't even give it away.
Members pop tarts Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 their next album might sell to people who are willing to spend the money. if you're playing in the village square, people hear you whether they pay to or not. if you've got a message, you want people to hear it, so you treat the world like that. or conversly, the world allows you to treat it like that.
Members richardmac Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 I so wish I could time travel 20 years from now and see how all this turns out. Recorded music has an extremely small value in this day and age and it sure seems like it's getting smaller by the minute. Have you seen what kids have on their iPods? They've got EVERYTHING from AC/DC to Led Zep to Garth Brooks to Usher to God knows what else. If you're an artist trying to sell your music, you're not just competing with the free illegal downloads from today's top selling artists... you're competing with the entire history of recorded music. I can totally get why some bands are just saying "screw it." On the other hand, I don't think they should. I'm Joe Nobody and I've had complete strangers buy my music on iTunes. However, my demographic is generally people in their 30's and 40's... those who do NOT have their iPods stocked with illegal music as much as the kids. But that's gonna change as the kids become adults. So what do music sales look like 20 years from now? Actually, that would make a good thread.
Members goaway Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 So, now you're on an OPEN WEB FORUM, ADMITTING to braking the law, and STEALING another artist's work?! Yeah, that's just pure CLASS, man! What, are there NO STORES where you live, where you could BUY THE CD?! In before the BAN. at the time it was released it was for download only so no, there were no stores he could have bought it from.
Members Reincaster Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 at the time it was released it was for download only so no, there were no stores he could have bought it from. Yep, very true, the album was released online a good bit before it was released in stores. in after the fail...
Members Michael Blue Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 He still admitted to stealing on a public forum....And I bet it's not "just a civil matter"...Not that it matters, it's still illegal. How dumb do you have to be to admit to illegal activities online?
Members Poker99 Posted August 5, 2008 Author Members Posted August 5, 2008 The original subject was about a new business model. It is not. Only bands that have been built years ago around the models of major labels are doing this right now. Average Joe might think its a good idea for his band to do this, that it will help him get some exposure, websites will sell this idea to indie artists, but its pure {censored}.
Members CLOCK13 Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 Please explain to me how giving away their records at the world level helps them sell more records. I'm dying to hear it. I did not say it did. I believe it was a mostly a way to experiment with new ways of getting the music to the consumer. They made a profit correct?
Members BlueStrat Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 their next album might sell to people who are willing to spend the money. That's a pretty weak premise to build a business plan on. Especially when the current model shows most people aren't willing to pay anything.
Members BlueStrat Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 I did not say it did. I believe it was a mostly a way to experiment with new ways of getting the music to the consumer. They made a profit correct? The made a (slight) profit because, as Poker rightly pointed out, they were made who they are first by the label system. Do you honestly think this could or would work for bands like yours or mine?
Members pop tarts Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 That's a pretty weak premise to build a business plan on. Especially when the current model shows most people aren't willing to pay anything. that's what they did this time, and they make a killing.
Members pop tarts Posted August 5, 2008 Members Posted August 5, 2008 He still admitted to stealing on a public forum. ...And I bet it's not "just a civil matter"...Not that it matters, it's still illegal. How dumb do you have to be to admit to illegal activities online? i've also used drugs, done 100 on the interstate, slept with married women, used false ip adresses, and haven't paid a dime to the irs in 5 years... (ok, the last part's because i've been working outside the us) as for stealing, it's a pretty tough argument to make if they're giving it away and the whole premise of the experiment was to see what the free market would do. a civil matter means that i could be sued, but not sent to jail over it. i'm pretty sure you can't sue when there are no damages, though. and anyway, you just don't like me because i pointed out the blatant, albeit unintentional, homosexual overtones of your song.
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